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I lived in an apartment where 6 out of 8 apartments were occupied by alcoholics or drug addicts. Nearly every block on that street was the same. This was Glasgow, and the drug of choice was heroin, although everyone also smoked as much marijuana as they could afford. These people's lives weren't particularly shit on a day-by-day basis, but they had nothing but misery on the horizon. If they had kids they would lose them, they would never work, never be praised. They'd never see the world. Most of them hadn't been outside Glasgow for years, if not the whole of their lives. They would probably never go to the beach or on even the shittest package holiday. Those who were obviously junkies (struggling to walk, sunken faces and destroyed skin) were basically seen as an underclass by everyone from their peers, to the rest of the population and the police. But there were people living in the same street, in the same apartments, with far less money, working shitty jobs, who weren't even open to taking drugs. The structure of this area wasn't bad at all - it could have been Rat Park, if it wasn't filled with drug-addicted rats who just pissed in the common areas and threw their rotting food out of the window. I don't have any great insight here - but I think there's more to it than environment as suggested by this study. There are people all around the world who live in far worse conditions and who aren't turning to substances, even when they are available. My feeling is that rats living in cages, who can see rats living in Rat Park would be more likely to seek addiction. And perhaps even more so if they see other rats being moved from cages to Rat Park, but not them. I don't know if rats could understand this concept though, which might be why they aren't all living in Afghanistan's poppy fields.

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I lived in an apartment where 6 out of 8 apartments were occupied by alcoholics or drug addicts. Nearly every block on that street was the same. This was Glasgow, and the drug of choice was heroin, although everyone also smoked as much marijuana as they could afford. These people's lives weren't particularly shit on a day-by-day basis, but they had nothing but misery on the horizon. If they had kids they would lose t…

It's important to note that people’s environment is heavily influenced by their social circle. Day to Day a poor person that has a strong social circle and some free time to sit around and play cards can be happier than say an elderly widower who might have plenty of resources but few friends or family left alive.

IMO, Rat Park would have been far more interesting if they had presented rats with identical environments but the difference being social isolation not just living in a tiny cage.

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He's lucky he didn't do this experiment in today's climate; it would've been the new "shrimp treadmills".

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Or, in comic format http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/rat-park/

Holy cow, what a terrible website. Hijacks the back button, scrolling is so over-sensitive as to be useless, the left and right perform in non-intuitive ways, and the animations all have a delay before they start.

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Reminds me of reddit comment I once read of someone's experience with heroin - http://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/1rhn38/heroin_users_o...

I knew someone once who'd used heroin for a while and gave it up and he told a similar story. He said it "makes the pain go away," and I asked what he meant and he just said "all of it" and smiled. He said I'm in horrible, horrible pain and have no idea because I'd never tried heroin before. :O

Immediately made me think of this great old sci-fi story: http://bestsciencefictionstories.com/2009/05/17/desertion-by...

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post #3

I lived in an apartment where 6 out of 8 apartments were occupied by alcoholics or drug addicts. Nearly every block on that street was the same. This was Glasgow, and the drug of choice was heroin, although everyone also smoked as much marijuana as they could afford. These people's lives weren't particularly shit on a day-by-day basis, but they had nothing but misery on the horizon. If they had kids they would lose t…

I suspect it's not all environment, but this study argues that environment (and social realities, etc.) are a significant component -- it's not just a matter of chemical dependence only.

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post #7
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Or, in comic format http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/rat-park/

Holy cow, what a terrible website. Hijacks the back button, scrolling is so over-sensitive as to be useless, the left and right perform in non-intuitive ways, and the animations all have a delay before they start.

Further, scroll a few pages using your scrollwheel, then press the right key. You'd expect to continue to the right, but instead are scrolled all the way back to the left to page #2. Eesh.
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