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Re: Toxic – A distributed, secure, command-line based instant messenging client

#21

Post by bch »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #15
ex-contributor wrote: post #12

DISCLAIMER: I am one of the many Tox ex-contributors, who used to work on it in the past. I don't want to be identified due to harassment other ex-contributors suffered in the past. The following message is my point of view on the project as a whole. Proplex, a long-time member of the Tox-Foundation and in charge of both infrastructure and marketing, called out tox devs because the 2 people in charge (irungentoo and…

Open source developers with attitude problems? Surely this has never occurred before. To be less sarcastic: Does it matter who the developers are and how they behave? If the source is open then it can be reviewed by anyone. If it works, there is no reason not to use it.

If the project is toxic (no pun intended) that's good enough reason to have nothing to do with it, period. If the above is true, a fork with a less-hostile community/development-environment would be a Good Thing.

Re: Toxic – A distributed, secure, command-line based instant messenging client

#22

Post by Lazare »

ex-contributor wrote: post #12

DISCLAIMER: I am one of the many Tox ex-contributors, who used to work on it in the past. I don't want to be identified due to harassment other ex-contributors suffered in the past. The following message is my point of view on the project as a whole. Proplex, a long-time member of the Tox-Foundation and in charge of both infrastructure and marketing, called out tox devs because the 2 people in charge (irungentoo and…

Well, that's fascinating. Thanks for providing some important context.

Re: Toxic – A distributed, secure, command-line based instant messenging client

#23

Post by ex-contributor »

derlel wrote: post #16
ex-contributor wrote: post #12

DISCLAIMER: I am one of the many Tox ex-contributors, who used to work on it in the past. I don't want to be identified due to harassment other ex-contributors suffered in the past. The following message is my point of view on the project as a whole. Proplex, a long-time member of the Tox-Foundation and in charge of both infrastructure and marketing, called out tox devs because the 2 people in charge (irungentoo and…

Sounds like an extremely one-sided version of an argument. Why should we care about the devs? If the source is open and the software is good, I can tolerate Linus-tier rants if need be.

The issue is that if you use Tox you support their foundation, the Tox Foundation™ which deals with money in a shady way and deceive their users just in order to grow. I, for moral and ethical principles, don't want to have anything to do with such a thing and believe it's necessary to let people know about the situation. If they couldn't even respect an ex-developer privacy[0] how can we expect them to run a foundation and create a supposedly secure instant messaging?

[0] https://archive.today/Y6LEw

Re: Toxic – A distributed, secure, command-line based instant messenging client

#24

Post by impossibru »

ex-contributor wrote: post #12

DISCLAIMER: I am one of the many Tox ex-contributors, who used to work on it in the past. I don't want to be identified due to harassment other ex-contributors suffered in the past. The following message is my point of view on the project as a whole. Proplex, a long-time member of the Tox-Foundation and in charge of both infrastructure and marketing, called out tox devs because the 2 people in charge (irungentoo and…

This is literally a 4chan troll copying and pasting the same thing over and over again on /g/ http://rbt.asia/g/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22Afte... http://rbt.asia/g/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=The+%22...

If you actually go and see the "proof" links you'll see most of them are 404 because the OP didn't bother to updating them.

Re: Toxic – A distributed, secure, command-line based instant messenging client

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Post by impossibru »

ex-contributor wrote: post #23
derlel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like an extremely one-sided version of an argument. Why should we care about the devs? If the source is open and the software is good, I can tolerate Linus-tier rants if need be.

The issue is that if you use Tox you support their foundation, the Tox Foundation™ which deals with money in a shady way and deceive their users just in order to grow. I, for moral and ethical principles, don't want to have anything to do with such a thing and believe it's necessary to let people know about the situation. If they couldn't even respect an ex-developer privacy[0] how can we expect them to run a foundat…

That's what you're saying, and how can I expect to trust a troll who copies and pastes stuff over and over again on 4chan?

Re: Toxic – A distributed, secure, command-line based instant messenging client

#27

Post by ex-contributor »

impossibru wrote: post #24
ex-contributor wrote: post #12

DISCLAIMER: I am one of the many Tox ex-contributors, who used to work on it in the past. I don't want to be identified due to harassment other ex-contributors suffered in the past. The following message is my point of view on the project as a whole. Proplex, a long-time member of the Tox-Foundation and in charge of both infrastructure and marketing, called out tox devs because the 2 people in charge (irungentoo and…

This is literally a 4chan troll copying and pasting the same thing over and over again on /g/ http://rbt.asia/g/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22Afte... http://rbt.asia/g/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=The+%22... If you actually go and see the "proof" links you'll see most of them are 404 because the OP didn't bother to updating them.

Or maybe the Tox Foundation is covering it up?

Hopefully I archive most for good measure.

https://archive.today/Y6LEw

https://archive.today/MajJV

https://archive.today/KkSWp

https://archive.today/CWBUp

http://a.pomf.se/kqwgsg.png

Re: Toxic – A distributed, secure, command-line based instant messenging client

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Post by impossibru »

ex-contributor wrote: post #27
impossibru wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is literally a 4chan troll copying and pasting the same thing over and over again on /g/ http://rbt.asia/g/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22Afte... http://rbt.asia/g/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=The+%22... If you actually go and see the "proof" links you'll see most of them are 404 because the OP didn't bother to updating them.

Or maybe the Tox Foundation is covering it up? Hopefully I archive most for good measure. https://archive.today/Y6LEw https://archive.today/MajJV https://archive.today/KkSWp https://archive.today/CWBUp http://a.pomf.se/kqwgsg.png

Yeah I read all that and it's really the main dev trying to track down the guy who maintained all the servers because he dropped everything. Maybe he acted awkwardly, I don't know, I don't care; the point is, there isn't some sort of "Tox Foundation conspiracy" trying to deceive everyone (as if the tox community was large enough to be worth deceiving) and given your tendency to shitpost on 4chan I would be more inclined this is another epic troll attempt to sabotage a project that actually went off.

Re: Toxic – A distributed, secure, command-line based instant messenging client

#29

Post by irungentoo »

ex-contributor wrote: post #12

DISCLAIMER: I am one of the many Tox ex-contributors, who used to work on it in the past. I don't want to be identified due to harassment other ex-contributors suffered in the past. The following message is my point of view on the project as a whole. Proplex, a long-time member of the Tox-Foundation and in charge of both infrastructure and marketing, called out tox devs because the 2 people in charge (irungentoo and…

You are just some troll trying to kill our project with fabrications and lies. You twist the truth to fit your own agenda.

The guy in question tried to damage the project on his way out so yes I grepped our server logs for his ips because I wanted to know if he had tried anything weird.

This guy posting this comment here is someone who decided to start this war against the project after I refused to kick someone who actually did something from our project. He posts this bullshit everywhere.

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