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Xmonad 0.9 released The light, reliable, extensible tiling window manager

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Re: Xmonad 0.9 released The light, reliable, extensible tiling window manager

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Post by dons »

psadauskas wrote: post #37
jrockway wrote: post #21

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Awesome got its name from the sound you make when it crashes and takes your entire X session with it. "Awesome."

I've been using awesome for about a year now, and never had it crash. Xmonad, however, while never crashing, would cause my Xorg process to eventually use all available RAM after several days of use without restarting.

That's extremely unlikely to be xmonad -- it is more symptomatic of writing status to a pipe that is never read from (in an external status bar).

Either way, we'd certainly love to know more, since this has never been reported before.

Re: Xmonad 0.9 released The light, reliable, extensible tiling window manager

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Post by jrockway »

psadauskas wrote: post #37
jrockway wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Awesome got its name from the sound you make when it crashes and takes your entire X session with it. "Awesome."

I've been using awesome for about a year now, and never had it crash. Xmonad, however, while never crashing, would cause my Xorg process to eventually use all available RAM after several days of use without restarting.

Yeah, I have played with Awesome recently and it is not nearly as flaky anymore. I still enjoy xmonad's test suite, however. Software that ships with a test suite tends to be more reliable than software that doesn't have tests.

(Example of software without a test suite: Emacs. No tests anywhere; not for the byte compiler, not for the memory allocator, nowhere. I am amazed it works at all.)

Re: Xmonad 0.9 released The light, reliable, extensible tiling window manager

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Post by jrockway »

steveklabnik wrote: post #38
jrockway wrote: post #15

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It's true. Eating is a waste of time, sleeping is a waste of time, interacting with other people is a waste of time, posting to HN is a waste of time, talking about things that are a waste of time is a waste of time, wasting time is a waste of time. Your startup is, statistically, probably a waste of time. But we do it anyway. I have spent a bit of time configuring Xmonad, but the configuration has lasted me for 2+ y…

Check out vimperator (though I guess you're an emacs kind of guy) to remove the mouse from even web browsing.

I use conkeror (emacs vimperator, basically). The only program I need a mouse for is a PDF reader. I have tried evince and xv, and would gladly accept a replacement :)

Re: Xmonad 0.9 released The light, reliable, extensible tiling window manager

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Post by jrockway »

gurraman wrote: post #40
yummyfajitas wrote: post #29

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It's one of the reasons I'm switching back to Linux (from OS X) with my next computer purchase. Xmonad controlling my X-apps and the native OS X window manager controlling everything else is just unpleasant.

Yes, I'd totally do that (at-least use my Linux partition) if a) the experience of running Linux on a MacBook was a little smoother (I've just bought a new one and I kind of like Apples hardware) and b) I wasn't dependent on PhotoShop et al. My current setup works good enough for now though; I'm pretty much working in "modes"; stay pretty focused on isolated tasks (either designing stuff in PhotoShop and Illustrator,…

It's possible to run Windows Photoshop on Linux with VMWare Workstation. I assume.

Re: Xmonad 0.9 released The light, reliable, extensible tiling window manager

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Post by jrockway »

LeChuck wrote: post #33
jrockway wrote: post #17

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Just pretend it's not configurable. Now it's like all the other window managers. Also, stop calling tiling window managers "twm". "twm" is a specific window manager that comes with X. (Now there's a hard-to-use window manager.) Finally, what problems were you having? If you just didn't like it, say so.

>Just pretend it's not configurable. Now it's like all the other window managers. Currently my xmonad.hs looks like this: import XMonad import XMonad.Config.Gnome main = xmonad gnomeConfig { modMask = mod4Mask } Works perfectly for me, no hassle required.

Wow, strange moderation. I bumped you up to +2 earlier in the day (as I appreciate your contribution), but now you are back to 1. I can't believe someone would downmod this comment; you aren't even arguing about anything, you are just sharing your config.

Sometimes HN makes me sad.

Re: Xmonad 0.9 released The light, reliable, extensible tiling window manager

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Post by steveklabnik »

jrockway wrote: post #44
steveklabnik wrote: post #38

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Check out vimperator (though I guess you're an emacs kind of guy) to remove the mouse from even web browsing.

I use conkeror (emacs vimperator, basically). The only program I need a mouse for is a PDF reader. I have tried evince and xv, and would gladly accept a replacement :)

Cool, I'll keep that in mind for my emacs-leaning friends.

I just accept that there are some things that need a mouse, and use xpdf to read pdfs.

Re: Xmonad 0.9 released The light, reliable, extensible tiling window manager

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Post by gurraman »

jrockway wrote: post #45
gurraman wrote: post #40

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Yes, I'd totally do that (at-least use my Linux partition) if a) the experience of running Linux on a MacBook was a little smoother (I've just bought a new one and I kind of like Apples hardware) and b) I wasn't dependent on PhotoShop et al. My current setup works good enough for now though; I'm pretty much working in "modes"; stay pretty focused on isolated tasks (either designing stuff in PhotoShop and Illustrator,…

It's possible to run Windows Photoshop on Linux with VMWare Workstation. I assume.

It is indeed possible. But that is a very unpleasant experience :)

Re: Xmonad 0.9 released The light, reliable, extensible tiling window manager

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Post by jrockway »

gurraman wrote: post #48
jrockway wrote: post #45

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It's possible to run Windows Photoshop on Linux with VMWare Workstation. I assume.

It is indeed possible. But that is a very unpleasant experience :)

Really? I do all my work at work through VMWare to a Linux image. I honestly wouldn't know that I'm not sitting at a Linux box save for the little border at the top of the VMWare console. Performance is the same.

I hear when you go the other way, Windows windows appear as windows on your Linux desktop. Sounds cool.

Re: Xmonad 0.9 released The light, reliable, extensible tiling window manager

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Post by uninverted »

jrockway wrote: post #43
psadauskas wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using awesome for about a year now, and never had it crash. Xmonad, however, while never crashing, would cause my Xorg process to eventually use all available RAM after several days of use without restarting.

Yeah, I have played with Awesome recently and it is not nearly as flaky anymore. I still enjoy xmonad's test suite, however. Software that ships with a test suite tends to be more reliable than software that doesn't have tests. (Example of software without a test suite: Emacs. No tests anywhere; not for the byte compiler, not for the memory allocator, nowhere. I am amazed it works at all.)

What? You say that software with tests is more reliable, and then give an example of reliable software without tests.
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