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Re: Microsoft Wants To Buy Love In Silicon Valley

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Post by breckinloggins »

I'm really starting to love what Microsoft is doing and I feel like they are trying hard to court non-MS developers. Part of me badly wants to jump back to the MS world. The Surface Pro 3 looks like an ideal machine for me and I do miss Visual Studio.

But I just can't do it without real POSIX support.

I'm just invested in a POSIX world. I want native BASH, fork, a git that isn't 5x slower (last I tried), and a real terminal.

So, Microsoft... if you're reading this, can you please, pretty please, add a nice officially supported not-going-anywhere POSIX layer to your OS? It's the reason I switched to OS X, and it would be the reason I'd switch back to MS.

It's almost the only thing you're missing from my side of the developer culture.

Re: Microsoft Wants To Buy Love In Silicon Valley

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Post by jd_hicks »

rjbwork wrote: post #7
felixrieseberg wrote: post #2

I'm one of the open source engineers spending a fair chunk of time helping YC companies that are making use of this deal. Personally, I don't think that money buys love. It gets us attention, but I believe that we'll only win people over by providing an awesome cloud solution. Furthermore, I'm hoping that doing so much of our development out in the open on Github allows devs to see what we're doing, that we care abou…

A huge sticking point for us right now is that Azure has no data warehousing capabilities. You're basically limited to "spin up a huge, expensive VM and install SSAS on it and make sure you have an expert DBA around that knows his way around all the little nuances of MS-SQL and SSAS". It is honestly, in my opinion, Azure's current biggest failing. We use cutting edge features and marketplace offerings when we can and…

Azure has multiple database-as-a-service offerings including SQL (azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/sql-database/), DocumentDB (azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/documentdb/), and Redis Cache (http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/cache/).

Re: Microsoft Wants To Buy Love In Silicon Valley

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Post by bduerst »

jd_hicks wrote: post #12
rjbwork wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A huge sticking point for us right now is that Azure has no data warehousing capabilities. You're basically limited to "spin up a huge, expensive VM and install SSAS on it and make sure you have an expert DBA around that knows his way around all the little nuances of MS-SQL and SSAS". It is honestly, in my opinion, Azure's current biggest failing. We use cutting edge features and marketplace offerings when we can and…

Azure has multiple database-as-a-service offerings including SQL (azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/sql-database/), DocumentDB (azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/documentdb/), and Redis Cache ( http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/cache/ ).

Those aren't OLAP replacements though, right? You would still need to manually build an OLAP db from the lower level to report on them. Maybe I'm wrong since I haven't used Azure...

Re: Microsoft Wants To Buy Love In Silicon Valley

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Post by notduncansmith »

breckinloggins wrote: post #11

I'm really starting to love what Microsoft is doing and I feel like they are trying hard to court non-MS developers. Part of me badly wants to jump back to the MS world. The Surface Pro 3 looks like an ideal machine for me and I do miss Visual Studio. But I just can't do it without real POSIX support. I'm just invested in a POSIX world. I want native BASH, fork, a git that isn't 5x slower (last I tried), and a real t…

So much this. I'm really proud of Microsoft for the strides they've made lately, but like you, I switched to Mac specifically because of the underlying UNIX layer. Too much of our world is in POSIX land, and I like it that way.

Alternatively, I'd be happy if .NET were truly cross-platform, so I could use my Mac to develop apps for the Windows Phone I'm typing this from (without a VM).

Re: Microsoft Wants To Buy Love In Silicon Valley

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Post by kazagistar »

breckinloggins wrote: post #11

I'm really starting to love what Microsoft is doing and I feel like they are trying hard to court non-MS developers. Part of me badly wants to jump back to the MS world. The Surface Pro 3 looks like an ideal machine for me and I do miss Visual Studio. But I just can't do it without real POSIX support. I'm just invested in a POSIX world. I want native BASH, fork, a git that isn't 5x slower (last I tried), and a real t…

I realize this does not meet the implied requirement of not having to relearn a bunch of stuff, but PowerShell certainly qualifies as a real terminal, just different.

Re: Microsoft Wants To Buy Love In Silicon Valley

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Post by rjbwork »

bduerst wrote: post #13
jd_hicks wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Azure has multiple database-as-a-service offerings including SQL (azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/sql-database/), DocumentDB (azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/documentdb/), and Redis Cache ( http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/cache/ ).

Those aren't OLAP replacements though, right? You would still need to manually build an OLAP db from the lower level to report on them. Maybe I'm wrong since I haven't used Azure...

You're right, Azure SQL is very limited in terms of being quite different from non-hosted SQL offerings. You can't just throw OLAP on top.

Re: Microsoft Wants To Buy Love In Silicon Valley

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Post by netheril96 »

breckinloggins wrote: post #11

I'm really starting to love what Microsoft is doing and I feel like they are trying hard to court non-MS developers. Part of me badly wants to jump back to the MS world. The Surface Pro 3 looks like an ideal machine for me and I do miss Visual Studio. But I just can't do it without real POSIX support. I'm just invested in a POSIX world. I want native BASH, fork, a git that isn't 5x slower (last I tried), and a real t…

And support for UTF-8.

Re: Microsoft Wants To Buy Love In Silicon Valley

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Post by louprado »

Microsoft promoted Azure this weekend at hshacks. More than 1000 high schoolers attended this hack-a-thon at PayPal HQ.

Upon hearing the word "server" one kid next to me enthusiastically shouted, "Use Azure! It's easy and I'll help you set it up right now". Nothing beats a testimonial from a peer.

Re: Microsoft Wants To Buy Love In Silicon Valley

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Post by pjc50 »

kazagistar wrote: post #16
breckinloggins wrote: post #11

I'm really starting to love what Microsoft is doing and I feel like they are trying hard to court non-MS developers. Part of me badly wants to jump back to the MS world. The Surface Pro 3 looks like an ideal machine for me and I do miss Visual Studio. But I just can't do it without real POSIX support. I'm just invested in a POSIX world. I want native BASH, fork, a git that isn't 5x slower (last I tried), and a real t…

I realize this does not meet the implied requirement of not having to relearn a bunch of stuff, but PowerShell certainly qualifies as a real terminal, just different.

Can one start a Powershell remotely in the same manner as ssh?
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