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Re: Ask HN: Would you hire me (passionate hobbyist programmer) to a dev position?

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I've wanted to ask something similar for a long time. I have a government job that has decent pay, but the schedule sucks, and I'm not challenged at all. I have freelance full-stack experience, just nothing black-and-white professional wise other than sysadmin & electronics experience in the military. I recently moved to what could be considered an "up-and-coming" startup city and I've been tossing around the idea of…

There are no entry-level programming jobs. You have to lie, cheat, and steal your way into a development career. Practically what this means is getting a company to take a chance on you. This isn't too hard because the market for web development talent is really hot right now and nobody wants to pay the salaries developers are commanding at the moment.

But getting a company to take a chance on you requires that you adhere to their expectations of you R.E. salary, what you're putting on your resume, what you tell them in the interview. Once you have some professional experience under your belt, then you can start to be pickier about who you're going to work with.

I was in your exact position two years ago, down to the sysadmin and electronics military experience. First job I took was $40K. It lasted three weeks before they let me go with a letter of recommendation, which I never ended up using. Second job was with Panasonic for similar money. I hated it so I found another job after about six weeks for where I'm at now. They hired me at $60K and I made enough noise after a year that they bumped me up to $75K. I was a Test Engineer at Panasonic but represented myself as a Web Developer, as that's what I was actually doing at Panasonic when I wasn't doing testing.

I'm active in the development community and while there's a hot market for talent, there's a lot of pickiness on both sides of the table, perhaps justifiably. I would love to hire an entry-level guy to work with me, but my company doesn't seem to want someone that's actually entry-level, but rather someone who is experienced but willing to take an entry-level salary. They lowball the experienced guys and won't even make offers to the unexperienced guys. So none of my candidates have worked out so far. Companies don't want to foot the bill for teaching someone how to code, perhaps because they don't want to pay all this money just to watch them walk out the door a year later.

Re: Ask HN: Would you hire me (passionate hobbyist programmer) to a dev position?

#52
my opinion:

- despite the efforts on your resume, it hurts my eyes. The focus is on the UI most than the content about you.

- At top of your content, I would like to see a summary about "what you have done" and reference links. I had to scroll down to find the info.

- I would suggest you move your code projects to github where is easy to see your work, bitbucket interface it's a bit complex for easy reading

And about the question "would be hire-able with my resume as it is", my answer is NO. Do the changes suggested. Your resume invite to "do not continue reading", fix that.

finally, always demonstrate what you have done, your resume "look and feel" its just a first filter and now it's a blocker.

Re: Ask HN: Would you hire me (passionate hobbyist programmer) to a dev position?

#53

No, I wouldn't hire you as-is. Probably not a first-choice intern either. Some notes on why not: + Your web-sume looks rough. As pointed out by others, there are a number of typos (i.e: "and provide an opporunity") not to mention the design itself could use work. If you are GREAT at web design/UX you should spruce it up. Otherwise, kill it and move to a traditional resume. Knowing HTML5/CSS3 today is pretty meaningle…

I disagree with a lot of this. The guy is junior, this is stuff that can be taught on the job.

Re: Ask HN: Would you hire me (passionate hobbyist programmer) to a dev position?

#54

Piggybacking off of this, if anyone would be so kind as to give me their opinion on my resume at http://writes.co.de/resume.pdf , I would be very appreciative. For what it's worth, I'm looking for an internship over the summer

Blanket disclaimer: the opinions below are from a stranger on the internet, filter according to your own judgement

* The colored bits and the typesetting of your name are on the whimsical side of resume style. Probably okay if you're applying to tech companies, but consider a more traditional layout if you apply to a more traditional company (eg bank, consulting firm)

* In 'experience' and 'projects', take care to use active language wherever possible and highlight what you accomplished, not just what you focused on. Ingersoll and Katie School could use revision in particular, the others look pretty on-target

* What sort of CS independent study and research have you done at Illinois State? You have the page space to be more specific, and can tailor this to the job you're applying to. Similar for Bloomington Central: consider if you can make "focus on mathematics and the sciences" more specific.

* Stanford: what about Cryptography from Dan Boneh? Did you complete the course? Did you receive a certificate or ranking?

* You might consider revising "interests" and "programming" into one section "skills" or "expertise". Narrow these to match the job.

* Like others have said, I am not a big fan of the 'Student, Hacker, Adventurer' tagline.

Re: Ask HN: Would you hire me (passionate hobbyist programmer) to a dev position?

#55

I've wanted to ask something similar for a long time. I have a government job that has decent pay, but the schedule sucks, and I'm not challenged at all. I have freelance full-stack experience, just nothing black-and-white professional wise other than sysadmin & electronics experience in the military. I recently moved to what could be considered an "up-and-coming" startup city and I've been tossing around the idea of…

I made this jump about a year ago. I was a DoD contractor out of college for 4 years, but I knew after ~2yrs that there weren't going to be any fun challenges. The closest you'd get would be prepping for the demo days to present to the higher-ups.

I started working with the MEAN stack to offset the boredom and after about 15 months I switched to a local startup. The pay was about 30% less, but I didn't have any professional experience on my resume (just my side project) so I saw it as more of a stepping stone. After ~6 months there, I applied to remote positions and ended up finding an awesome Senior level front end gig making quite a bit more compared to my DoD job. Also, I'm way happier now that I get to work with the cool things I used on my side projects. If our situations are as similar as I think, I'd say float your resume out there and see what bites. GL!

Re: Ask HN: Would you hire me (passionate hobbyist programmer) to a dev position?

#56
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The resume isn't good, but you appear to be employable. I definitely wouldn't lead off the resume with the word "Expert", unless you want to invite senior level engineers to try and take you down a notch with some difficult interview questions. The words "expert" and "entry-level" don't belong in the same sentence. Some of the phrasing is sloppy - "start to finish" might be said better as "full lifecycle". If you got…

>I definitely wouldn't lead off the resume with the word "Expert", unless you want to invite senior level engineers to try and take you down a notch with some difficult interview questions. The words "expert" and "entry-level" don't belong in the same sentence.

They can bring it on on the systems engineering side. And as for programming, I am looking for an entry level position. How would you reword this?

I'll work on the other suggestions. thank you for the detailed feedback

Re: Ask HN: Would you hire me (passionate hobbyist programmer) to a dev position?

#57
In Summary, you say "Expert" and then "entry level" in the same line. You don't want to do that. Take the word 'expert' out and if you indeed are an expert in something, show it to us in the experience details.

Professional skills section. This is a usual culprit for most entry level folks as we are all taught to add keywords like "great communication skills", "accomplished career history" etc which are just fluff. No need to mention these because either your Resume shows it or it does not. I would take the entire section out in my opinion.

Rest is pretty standard for entry level.

The idea of a good Resume is to demontrate what "you" accomplished in a particular position and what the "company" achieved with your help. This is easier to say and hard to put on paper. Think of real metrics even if as an entry level, you don't have much to show. Did you make your employer's life easy in any way ? Talk about it. Did you solve something that was pending for a while no matter how trivial ? Talk about it.

Re: Ask HN: Would you hire me (passionate hobbyist programmer) to a dev position?

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I'm going to pick on one flaw of your CV and explain why it is problematic. > Excellent verbal and written communication skills. Prove it. Anyone can write that. As a hirer I see that sort of statement all the time and it means nothing. I want you to prove it. Eg. > I regularly write reports for the CEO and board. I produce a monthly 200 word summary and 5,000 word detailed background on our team's accomplishments. T…

> Backup reporting app that pulled results from a backup status DB and used a local database of admins and projects to present reports in various filtered formats. So what? What did that achieve?

I wrote an app from scratch that filled a need in backup reporting. If i expand in the way you say my resume is going to end up 5 pages long. I want the kind of questions you're asking - during an interview.

Re: Ask HN: Would you hire me (passionate hobbyist programmer) to a dev position?

#59
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Since you present your resume in code, I would have to take that into consideration. Your front-end skills are a good start, but I wouldn't hire you based on them alone. I honestly think you're putting yourself at risk but giving a potential employer the code of your resume to judge you by. The outcome is not as pretty as if you just created a standard resume, and I don't know that most people hiring would get that.

thanks. Front end skills are obviously not my highlight as can be seen from the content of the resume, but I wanted to demonstrate that I have at least good coding style/organization and have some front end chops to complement my other skills. What of the general content of my resume?

The content honestly isn't great. It looks like you have some experience, but you haven't told a potential employer about any of your projects or accomplishments.

Your bullet points read like job descriptions, and anyone else who submits a resume that has had a job remotely similar to yours will sound about the same. Focus on your projects and accomplishments while employed, and make it look less like a job post.

I know you aren't emphasizing the front end skills, but leaving them out in the open if you aren't great, and aren't up to date with your front-end skills (tables, adding classes to make paragraphs look like headings - just use headings) can make any semi-critical resume reviewer cry "eek!.." Showcase what you are best at, and don't try to justify your hiring with things you "kind of, sort of" know how to do.

As others have said, tailor your bullet points to the job you are applying for. I don't care about your systems engineer work if you're applying to be a junior dev. Talk about your internal tools and app development. Those should be your bullet points - not that you "started and completed projects" or "were a member of a team".

Focus on your strengths and your goals!

Re: Ask HN: Would you hire me (passionate hobbyist programmer) to a dev position?

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post #56
post #35

The resume isn't good, but you appear to be employable. I definitely wouldn't lead off the resume with the word "Expert", unless you want to invite senior level engineers to try and take you down a notch with some difficult interview questions. The words "expert" and "entry-level" don't belong in the same sentence. Some of the phrasing is sloppy - "start to finish" might be said better as "full lifecycle". If you got…

>I definitely wouldn't lead off the resume with the word "Expert", unless you want to invite senior level engineers to try and take you down a notch with some difficult interview questions. The words "expert" and "entry-level" don't belong in the same sentence. They can bring it on on the systems engineering side. And as for programming, I am looking for an entry level position. How would you reword this? I'll work o…

I just wouldn't mix entry-level and expert in any resume. Just that sentence alone would at least make me consider dismissing a candidate - why is an expert seeking entry-level work, and why does someone seeking entry-level work feel they are an expert? The answer to either isn't likely to be flattering to the candidate.

If you are in the interview and they softball you, I'd invite them to 'bring it' live if the environment is right (are they smiling) - but on paper it comes across that you are likely overestimating the level of skills you would have.

One element of interviews that we rarely speak of is the interviewer needing to establish technical credibility with the candidate. Ego is one potential element in the exchange - particularly if it's unclear which party is 'stronger' - but an interviewer might also just feel the demonstration of their own technical abilities helps (a) make them a credible interviewer and (b) make their employer appear more attractive to candidates. Bright people want to work with other bright people.

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