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Re: Paper sizes

#71

A lot of US "standards" (only US uses them) should be banned.

There is nothing weird about national standards. Everyone does it. Germany has DIN, for instance. Even tiny Belgium has the NBN.

Usually, these standards are either equivalent to international standards or are only relevant in the home country of the organization.

Re: Paper sizes

#72
post #44

Next step: metric measurement units everywhere. I've been waiting for that for decades. If "dozens" would die as well, even better.

But I don't want my eggs in boxes of 5.

Re: Paper sizes

#73
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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English is far from being streamlined. In fact it's the only language I know that requires you to learn how to pronounce EACH word. Most languages only require learning how each letter sounds, and maybe a few dozen di/trigraphs, the rest is regular. Not so in English.

You have to learn to pronounce each word with Chinese too.

To a point, but there are clues:

马 is mǎ, meaning horse. It's a picture of a horse, with 3000 years of adaptation.

女 means woman / female. It's a picture of a woman.

Put them together and 妈 means "the female thing that sounds like mǎ", which is mā (a different tone), meaning mother.

(I'm very much a beginner, but my teacher claims ~70% of characters follow this pattern.)

Re: Paper sizes

#74
Please ban letter size, ever been at the printer realsing nothing printed and facing PC Load letter message? Ever been in a foreign country trying to find your home countries legal size of paper in a local store?

I think we should switch to metric, a4 paper and right hand driving.

Re: Paper sizes

#75

I have to note that A4 (what goes in a standard printer) is just a shitty format for documents. There is no way to get a proper layout done, you basically need two columns to use a reasonable amount of space with regards to font size and text body layout, which leads to other problems. There is a very good reason you don't see any A4 books. A5 works OK for book layouts but still is too wide actually... A5 booklet pri…

As someone who printed every high-school and university essay on A4 paper, I can say it's a fine size for documents. You're right that it's a rubbish size for books, but that's a different question.

Re: Paper sizes

#76

Anecdote: the office management/finance/HR people in the european office where I work really, really hate US Letter formats, because they don't really fit in "normal" binders. They're the ones who really suffer from this, because they're the only people who deal with paper format documents these days, I guess.

I can feel their pain: I have two binders from school in Germany that don't fit on the shelf with my other (US-sized) binders. They're destined to be lying down for the rest of their days.

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#77
The USA and the EU are currently negotiating a free trade agreement [0]. I would say call your representative to get it on the list. Not to get too political here, but that would be much more beneficial than much of the other stuff that is already on it, where usually the lower standard succeeds magically.

[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investm...

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#78
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I've lived in the US and also in a country that used the A-series extensively. While I've always appreciated the beauty and math of the A-series, I find the aspect-ratio of the US Letter paper to be much more appealing. A4 tends to be too long and too narrow.

I used to publish a magazine (in Japan) that was A4. Because of all the ads were sized to fractions of the page it was a big job to change the page size, so we just left it, for years. When I finally had the chance to make a new magazine I went for letter size -- it's a prettier proportion. As the other posters have said, A4 is too tall.

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#79
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I've tried in the past to explain how awesome the sqrt(2) ratio used as the basis of DIN/ISO page sizes is, but there are some very dumb people on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7821947

They are more or less agreeing with you that convenient scaling is a feature. They just use a bad analogy, and you talk past each other a lot. (I agree that they miss the point that you aren't promoting metric)

Yes. talideon wrote two unrelated sentences next to each other, Turing_Machine thought they were related, and the two of them started talking about different things. (This is my impression, at least. I can't seem to bring myself to properly read the whole thread, it's too frustrating.)

talideon, you do not come across well from that exchange. You may or may not have been talking to a brick wall, but you weren't listening to one. I more-or-less agree with raldi: instead of fixating loudly on what Turing_Machine did wrong in that thread, think about how you could do better next time.

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#80

Anecdote: the office management/finance/HR people in the european office where I work really, really hate US Letter formats, because they don't really fit in "normal" binders. They're the ones who really suffer from this, because they're the only people who deal with paper format documents these days, I guess.

Also the fact that the US punches 3 holes instead of 2 or 4
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