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Re: Samsung's smart TVs are inserting unwanted ads into users' own movies

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the sound of it, the ads only appear when using smart TV apps? So you could still use a "smart" TV but with normal inputs.

Then why not just save yourself some money and get a "dumb" TV? I can only imagine they jack the price up a hundred or two for the "smart"

Soon it may be more expensive to buy a dumb TV than a smart TV, if the manufacturer is counting on ad revenue.

Re: Samsung's smart TVs are inserting unwanted ads into users' own movies

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post #26

> Samsung explained that these sorts of ads were supposed to be opt-in only and was working with Yahoo to improve the system. No user would opt-in to commercials, ever. I don't believe for a second this system was designed with opt-in in mind. Whenever an ill conceived feature like this is brought to the light, it's always explained as a bug, glitch, or some screw up in engineering. Well, it's not a bug. It was speci…

Smart TVs are a good idea. Who doesn't want less crap plugged into their TV? However, TV manufacturers – for some reason – are ill-suited to developing the software that would make for a good experience.

Smart TVs are a terrible idea for the same reason that combined printer and scanners are a bad idea but with the negative aspect magnified many times. The cost and life expectancy of each part is very different and you don't want their replacement/upgrade to be tied together.

A display panel should last you more than a decade and probably costs many 100s or 1000s. The 'smart' bit is probably worth less than $200 and is probably going to be obsolete in a couple of years.

EDIT - another thing. I want the people that make my 'smart' box to be nimble, forward looking new media companies - not box shifters like Samsung, LG, Philips et al. Most Smart TVs have awful software (LG's purchase of WebOS might lead them to be an exception here)

I've been asked by non-tech friends and relatives about SmartTVs many times and my answer is always "don't touch them with a barge-pole" and a link to a Roku/Chromecast/AppleTV etc.

Re: Samsung's smart TVs are inserting unwanted ads into users' own movies

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post #16

So... do smart TVs actually have a single feature that's actually useful to the consumer?

Not really. Dad installed smart TVs in his beach house (he figured it was easier than wiring up DVD players and Rokus in 10 rooms). While the apps do work, they are slow, clunky, and the UX is never as good as that which is delivered on dedicated streaming devices. The configuration is always buried, so switching accounts is an exercise in futility. So, he just leaves his Roku account signed in and deals with the clutter in his personal watch list.

Re: Samsung's smart TVs are inserting unwanted ads into users' own movies

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> By either selecting that I agree or by not selecting that I disagree, I agree to the Yahoo Connected TV Terms of Service Written under the deselected "I Agree" checkbox, with no "I disagree" option visible. This has to be some kind of record. And on a TV that you paid hundreds if not thousands of dollars, not in some spooky shareware download.

In other words, they're trying to say

    agree = iAgree || !iDisagree;
and the disagree option is somehow missing, so they can conveniently default it to being unselected and you're "agreeing" whether or not "I Agree" is selected. Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

Re: Samsung's smart TVs are inserting unwanted ads into users' own movies

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This is why I am not keen on smart TV's. They are getting too smart for what they should do. Voice control? Why? Otis slower and more annoying than a simple remote. Streaming content? Unless this is the One True TV the company will make, they will quickly drop support for it. Then, when FooBarTube (tm) comes out and is the new Netflix, good luck getting the software for it.

Do what I do: buy the TV for the nice screen and get a Roku 3. Your life will get easier.

Re: Samsung's smart TVs are inserting unwanted ads into users' own movies

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post #6

Personally a dumb tv/roku/media server has been my go to choice. This whole smartTV hype is still beyond me. Could someone please touch on the advantages of a smart TV offerings over my setup?

> Could someone please touch on the advantages of a smart TV offerings over my setup?

Advertisements during your locally stored content, possibly for whatever the hell it is that they are smoking at Samsung.

Re: Samsung's smart TVs are inserting unwanted ads into users' own movies

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This means even simple things such as pressing the 'Source' button to view the source list (you can't just press it to switch, you need to press this then select the new source from the menu) takes 30 seconds to load. Is that an exaggeration? 30 seconds is far beyond what I would consider unusable, and a TV which takes that long to switch between sources would be quickly returned.

No, I've used a Samsung Smart TV a few times and this is hardly hyperbole. When you "start" the TV it's in some sort of lite mode, actually going to one of the menus requires booting up the secondary operating system which can take a few minutes. Every menu is painfully slow to navigate, the interfaces are displayed at a few frames a second, and the wifi built in is beyond useless. Trouble is, it's almost impossible…

My Sony KDL-46HX853 also has poor performance for the Source button. When turning the TV on from "standby" it displays a "Please wait" when you press the source button within the first few seconds (I haven't timed it, but it's long enough to be annoying). Apart from that, stepping through the sources is problematic, with it being laggy to respond, pausing on certain sources, and causing you to overshoot.

The next time I buy a TV, I'll try out the Source selection in a showroom first.

Re: Samsung's smart TVs are inserting unwanted ads into users' own movies

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post #6

Personally a dumb tv/roku/media server has been my go to choice. This whole smartTV hype is still beyond me. Could someone please touch on the advantages of a smart TV offerings over my setup?

I purposely bought a Philips smart TV this year as the only stuff I really watch is Netflix, iPlayer, YouTube and my own ripped content. This TV advertised apps for all of that and DLNA support, so I figured I wouldn't need any other boxes. I have used XBMC before and that worked great, except there is still no Netflix support, so I figured I'd try something with it built in. Netflix works perfectly, and I really can…

How in the world can this be any better than Rasberry Pi (or some equivalent) + dumb TV?

I see an opening for a 'TV Smartify' business selling customized Rasberry Pi's (or some equivalent) that you attach to your TV, plug in with HDMI/power/network, and go. Include a custom OS ready to go, a HDMI cable, wireless Keyboard/Mouse, customer case, and a power supply and sell it upmarked as a convenience (since the target market would be those who wouldn't even know what a Rasberry Pi was).

Re: Samsung's smart TVs are inserting unwanted ads into users' own movies

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post #23

A bit disappointing that a hacker community's first reaction is to position against smart TVs. Smart TVs are awesome, we just need open source firmware for them in the same way that we have DDWRT/OpenWRT, XBMC and such. Imagine the control scheme using a wiimote-style pointer, built-in webcam, quad core CPU and an API to give you access to your viewing habits, or interface with other smart devices around your home. R…

People are starting to realise that the Internet Of Things Controlled By Someone Else is going to have the same petty awfulness as the web; unsolicited increasingly intrusive advertising and surveillance. Smartness becomes just another maintenance liability that requires regular security updates. I'm annoyed enough at having to update Flash again on the Win7/Media Centre PC that's my TV-watching setup.

(I put the PC in place after a series of set-top-box/PVRs from BT which came with the "BT Vision" service. That suffered from adverse updates that gradually made the interface infuriatingly slow.)

TVs really ought to pick up on HDMI activation/deactivation. I suspect the reason they don't is that it works 99% of the time but there are broken devices which would steal focus.

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