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Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by StavrosK »

kehrlann wrote: post #16

I am not too creeped out by the concept of this bot (actually, I find the whole idea amusing). I can understand why people would find it creepy, but I feel that the creepiness comes from Tinder rather than the bot ... It's only possible because of Tinder and the way it makes users interact with each other. Not a Tinder user myself, so I guess I'm biased in this case.

I can't understand why people would find it creepy. There's already a filter built into Tinder (show me women/men), why is an extra filter suddenly creepy? If a bot can know what I find unattractive and filter that out, why not?

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

#32

Post by StavrosK »

karma_fountain wrote: post #26
karmacondon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone pointed out in another thread, we're ruled by algorithms now and have been for quite some time. Tinder itself is based on a human processed algorithm: IF ((I think that he/she is hot) && (he/she thinks I am hot)) THEN date(); The good thing about computer algorithms is that we can open them up and see how they work. Like, y'know, hackers. This program is doing the same basic task as a person would, "Look a…

Gahh, close your if statement man.

END IF;

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

#33

Post by eli_gottlieb »

noonespecial wrote: post #20
3beard wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could work myself up into some kind of indignation, but what I really believe is this: if you willingly submit yourself to the cesspits of human banality (i.e. Facebook, Tinder and all the likes), you pretty much deserve all the crap that will be unloaded on you.

So there's the dystopia. The humans become the nearly identical constantly replaceable consumable that the algorithms steer across a dozen generations, mating them and connecting them together to father the algorithms' own silicon ends whatever those happen to turn out to be. I hope they don't like paperclips.

Oh please. There was never a Divine Plan for your life, and there's never going to be a mash-up sub-intelligent algorithm that overrides your own direction over your own life. It takes other intelligent agents to do that, ie: people.

Crappy classification or regression algorithms being misapplied as cheap, stupid business ideas... are basically nothing like super-intelligent paper-clip maximizers.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

#34

Post by Padding »

karmacondon wrote: post #25
nemothekid wrote: post #5

I feel the human race has made a rather amusing step forward to rule-by-algorithm. 30 years ago this would be dystopian, today its a byproduct of a mish-mash of open source libraries.

As someone pointed out in another thread, we're ruled by algorithms now and have been for quite some time. Tinder itself is based on a human processed algorithm: IF ((I think that he/she is hot) && (he/she thinks I am hot)) THEN date(); The good thing about computer algorithms is that we can open them up and see how they work. Like, y'know, hackers. This program is doing the same basic task as a person would, "Look a…

> I, for one, welcome our algorithmic overlords.

Just imagine a world where you'd never have to hear "because I said so" and "becasue fuck you, that's why" ever again. A world where for everything that goes wrong, there'll always be a clear way to fix it and some clearly identifiable someone liable for the mistake. A world where being handsome is no more an advantage than having blue as your favorite color. Etc.

Maybe it's not perfect, but it would most certainly take away power from people that don't deserve it. I can see why the "powers that be" would try to convince us that this is "dystopian".

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

#35

Post by warcode »

StavrosK wrote: post #31
kehrlann wrote: post #16

I am not too creeped out by the concept of this bot (actually, I find the whole idea amusing). I can understand why people would find it creepy, but I feel that the creepiness comes from Tinder rather than the bot ... It's only possible because of Tinder and the way it makes users interact with each other. Not a Tinder user myself, so I guess I'm biased in this case.

I can't understand why people would find it creepy. There's already a filter built into Tinder (show me women/men), why is an extra filter suddenly creepy? If a bot can know what I find unattractive and filter that out, why not?

Probably the automated messaging/conversation. Anything else is just normal Tinder.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

#36

Post by Padding »

noonespecial wrote: post #20
3beard wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could work myself up into some kind of indignation, but what I really believe is this: if you willingly submit yourself to the cesspits of human banality (i.e. Facebook, Tinder and all the likes), you pretty much deserve all the crap that will be unloaded on you.

So there's the dystopia. The humans become the nearly identical constantly replaceable consumable that the algorithms steer across a dozen generations, mating them and connecting them together to father the algorithms' own silicon ends whatever those happen to turn out to be. I hope they don't like paperclips.

Richard Dawkins paints a similar picture in "The Blind Watchmaker".

In some way it's ironic that with all that effort we've spent on AI so far, simple evolution may yet beat us to the punch as far as AGI is concerned. Makes you wonder about how irrelevant humans are in the grand scheme of things.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

#38

Post by [deleted] »

Padding wrote: post #34
karmacondon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone pointed out in another thread, we're ruled by algorithms now and have been for quite some time. Tinder itself is based on a human processed algorithm: IF ((I think that he/she is hot) && (he/she thinks I am hot)) THEN date(); The good thing about computer algorithms is that we can open them up and see how they work. Like, y'know, hackers. This program is doing the same basic task as a person would, "Look a…

> I, for one, welcome our algorithmic overlords. Just imagine a world where you'd never have to hear "because I said so" and "becasue fuck you, that's why" ever again. A world where for everything that goes wrong, there'll always be a clear way to fix it and some clearly identifiable someone liable for the mistake. A world where being handsome is no more an advantage than having blue as your favorite color. Etc. Mayb…

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Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

#40

Post by Udo »

marvin wrote: post #14
withdavidli wrote: post #4

Probably the only bot that would appeal to women with its preference setting. It's mostly guys using the bots and filtering after the matches. Love reading the Tinder app reviews: "this thing is broken, been using it for a week and no matches. I ain't that ugly." I always thought Tinder could monetize by having auto swipe and an undo option.

This phenomenon is endemic to dating culture in general. It's strange that the large majority of young Western women who have ridiculously fickle preferences, don't have the insight to realize the consequences of their behavior (or even notice the behavior in the first place). It makes the experience bad for 90% of the participants. Not a bad thought to have separate interfaces by gender, maybe there is something in…

The standard perception is that women are scarce and men are dime-a-dozen. I strongly suspect this might be true even in the gay dating scene (maybe someone qualified might weigh in on this hunch).

Like in many social conventions, this scheme kind-of works as long as you subscribe to it. Men are supposed to be undiscerning, women are supposed to reject people like it's a bodily function. As long as you fall within that schema and pursue your partners in a way that confirms their social expectations, you're fine.

If you don't like that game, however, it's difficult. Thankfully the internet exists, so it should be possible to date like-minded people who don't subscribe to this convention.

Then again, I'm a European, so YMMV.

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