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We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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Re: We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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Does this argument parellel Linux vs Windows vs OSX to anyone else? I think the main problem is going to be getting people to develop for an alternative OS. MS had a paid developer per unique app program, which was called desparate by some. Comments here state that license to develop for the WP is a $100??? Jeez, I wonder what their growth team is thinking. Developers are highly sought after, experimenting is fun, bu…

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Re: We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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WinPhone8.x is a fantastic mobile OS. The interface is great. I've dealt with some bugs since switching to the developer preview, but that's to be expected, and my experience running production code was always rock solid. But the app situation is abominable, and getting worse. The Xbox program seems to have been all but abandoned. Microsoft seems to have largely given up even monitoring the app store; half the top/ne…

If they cared to see their app ecosystem grow, they wouldn't charge developers 100$ (which is actually 1$ more than this greedy evil empire of Apple does :)) for a licence you need even to install your app on your own darn phone

Really ? Their OS really shines in low cost devices aimed at the developing world(it's supposed to be much better and cheaper than whatever android can achieve). I would imagine a $100 is a substantial barrier for developers there.

Re: We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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Pretty much only Finland, really, and that's because of the local Nokia brand loyalty and aggressive local pricing. With MS axing the Nokia brand, I see Samsung picking up the slack easily if they dare to compete on price like they do in other countries rather than trying to angle as a luxury brand. I'm already starting to see a lot more Galaxies and iPhones on the street in Helsinki and Tampere these days.

No, unless it changed the southern countries have a lot of them. Windows Phone are the only alternative to Android, when you are buying pre-paid phones and not willing to shell out more then 500 euros for a mobile phone, when earning 400 euros on average. Even the contracts are not an option for such users.

Fair enough. I haven't kept up with the numbers in a while.

I can certainly understand the price issue, it's the reason I went with a WP here in Finland: My Lumia 1320 was only 300€. Nothing comparable for Android or iOS was available for less than twice that.

Re: We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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> "For OEMs/handset makers, choice means the ability to do more with software" Please no, this would only yield to more bloatware. The move of Google is smart, moving the OS away from OEMs. [Most] manufacturers have demonstrated again and again that they cannot be trusted with software, since they only care about profit and putting more and more useless apps into the OS. We might need more mobile OS, but not for this…

That's pretty funny. It seems that Google and most Android devs don't really like what the OEMs are doing. From one googler's explanation, the OEM really believes that they're offering something that users are asking for or wanting. I have been impressed with some manufacturers that put pure Android on their phones though. Hopefully those phones become more popular and creates a trend.

Re: We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

WinPhone8.x is a fantastic mobile OS. The interface is great. I've dealt with some bugs since switching to the developer preview, but that's to be expected, and my experience running production code was always rock solid. But the app situation is abominable, and getting worse. The Xbox program seems to have been all but abandoned. Microsoft seems to have largely given up even monitoring the app store; half the top/ne…

If they cared to see their app ecosystem grow, they wouldn't charge developers 100$ (which is actually 1$ more than this greedy evil empire of Apple does :)) for a licence you need even to install your app on your own darn phone

I think that's for free nowadays.

Re: We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

WinPhone8.x is a fantastic mobile OS. The interface is great. I've dealt with some bugs since switching to the developer preview, but that's to be expected, and my experience running production code was always rock solid. But the app situation is abominable, and getting worse. The Xbox program seems to have been all but abandoned. Microsoft seems to have largely given up even monitoring the app store; half the top/ne…

If they cared to see their app ecosystem grow, they wouldn't charge developers 100$ (which is actually 1$ more than this greedy evil empire of Apple does :)) for a licence you need even to install your app on your own darn phone

MS has changed that screwed up situation to a new store model. IIRC, it's now only $20/year I think, and that includes the ability to produce apps all across the windows landscape, desktop, xbox, etc. Originally, they copied the Apple store model, charged $100 like Apple. The policies were also pretty similiar to Apple's policies.

Re: We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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Does this argument parellel Linux vs Windows vs OSX to anyone else? I think the main problem is going to be getting people to develop for an alternative OS. MS had a paid developer per unique app program, which was called desparate by some. Comments here state that license to develop for the WP is a $100??? Jeez, I wonder what their growth team is thinking. Developers are highly sought after, experimenting is fun, bu…

I think the main problem is that if you want to play in the mobile space, you must invest heavily in lawyers:

http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/1153292 http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/whos-suing-whom-i...

It's not the walls that keep people out, it's the sharks.

Re: We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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"For OEMs/handset makers, choice means the ability to do more with software" Well, that's what Google did with Android but the makers were so bad at it (making the Android worse, not updating...) that Google had to take back control by moving more and more elements to the Play services.

I think Google had mixed motives - it wasn't just the quality thing, it was that some OEMs were obviously trying to make a platform play of their own.

However the fact that quality was also an issue put me in the very weird position of applauding the increased centralization of Android.

I'm hoping Cyanagenmod can somehow square the circle here.

Re: We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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Tizen, Firefox OS and Ubuntu are probably the candidates, but I think Tizen has a combination of things going for it: 1) It's not based on AOSP (unlike Firefox OS) 2) Supports both native and HTML5 apps (Firefox OS apps are limited to HTML5) 3) Backed by Samsung, still a powerful hardware player in most markets. Both Firefox OS and Ubuntu [have had/will have] a tough time getting device manufacturers to adopt their O…

Just on point 3, it's not really a matter of getting device vendors to use it. I think it's pretty clear today that incumbent platforms live and die by the quality of their apps and the app delivery and discovery mechanisms. By extension that means the quality of the developer environment, APIs, device functionality you can use, and related tooling. Tizen is nothing without that. Samsung Mobile picking it up for 1, 1…

It's true that sales volumes are not guaranteed, but what I meant was that because of Samsung, Tizen is in a position to atleast circumvent the chicken and egg problem that dogs any new mobile OS.

Manufacturers hesitate to bring out devices with a new OS until there is enough developer and user mindshare, but developer and user mindshare grow only when there are enough competitive devices on the market.

Right now, Firefox OS is found only on some low to mid range devices. Ubuntu OS did not even hit the crowdsourced funding target last time. Tizen is in a better position to circumvent this, if Samsung commits to Tizen (which I don't see them doing at the moment) and avoids making the same mistakes as Bada.

Re: We Need to Break the Mobile Duopoly

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My biggest hope is that breaking the duopoly makes it essential that someone cracks the nut of cross-platform development - and hopefully forces the focus back onto web apps or a similar open technology.

Firefox saved us from an Internet Explorer world. This time round it seems that we need more than just one caped crusader.

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