If you're an author, you can use Leanpub (https://leanpub.com/). We added #VATMOSS support, so you don't have to. We did this since we looked at the situation and decided it was the correct thing to do for our authors, even though we're based in Canada with our servers in the USA, and with no physical presence in the EU whatsoever. We also added "bring your own book" support, so you can just upload your own PDF, EPUB and/or MOBI files instead of needing to use our (awesome, Markdown-based) book creation workflow.
Patreon to Europe on #VATMOSS: “Not our problem, mate.”
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Re: Patreon to Europe on #VATMOSS: “Not our problem, mate.”
#12So basically .. we have the freedom of the internet ... buut we can't do business on the internet unless we hire 20 accountants 5 accounting managers, 2 layers and we will still be limited to just working within europe?
Re: Patreon to Europe on #VATMOSS: “Not our problem, mate.”
#13https://www.patreon.com/taxes
seems to be empty for me.
Re: Patreon to Europe on #VATMOSS: “Not our problem, mate.”
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Inter-country tax laws are about to get alot more complex and my guess is that at least of of the big accounting firms get bankrupted in the next few years due to this. could you expand? My feeling would be that with increasing complexity, big accounting firms stand only to make more money.
It's a mixed blessing. More complexity = more billable hours for accountants, but also = more liability if they screw up.
I think your comment is a good one.
But I find myself wondering, if a company like PWC is also "Too big to fail."
In this day and age, I have little trust in very large organizations, as I see them in league with politicians and bureaucrats.
Edit: Change "too" to "to" in "Too big to fail."
Re: Patreon to Europe on #VATMOSS: “Not our problem, mate.”
#15It's disconcerting how many US online services claim to be usable internationally but then turn out not to have done their homework.
Re: Patreon to Europe on #VATMOSS: “Not our problem, mate.”
#16It's disconcerting how many US online services claim to be usable internationally but then turn out not to have done their homework.
They did their homework. If you want to use Patreon and you have to deal with VAT, get to work and don't expect Patreon to do it for you.
Especially all of the unnecessary paperwork for a backwards psuedo-nation.
Re: Patreon to Europe on #VATMOSS: “Not our problem, mate.”
#17So basically .. we have the freedom of the internet ... buut we can't do business on the internet unless we hire 20 accountants 5 accounting managers, 2 layers and we will still be limited to just working within europe?
Not really - just keep a table of the vat rates and pay the relevant one.
Re: Patreon to Europe on #VATMOSS: “Not our problem, mate.”
#18https://www.patreon.com/taxes seems to be empty for me.
Have you got JavaScript disabled?
Re: Patreon to Europe on #VATMOSS: “Not our problem, mate.”
#19So basically .. we have the freedom of the internet ... buut we can't do business on the internet unless we hire 20 accountants 5 accounting managers, 2 layers and we will still be limited to just working within europe?
Not really - just keep a table of the vat rates and pay the relevant one.
"Simply keep abreast of all tax laws and jurisdictions on planet Earth and pay accordingly. It couldn't be simpler..."
Re: Patreon to Europe on #VATMOSS: “Not our problem, mate.”
#20It's disconcerting how many US online services claim to be usable internationally but then turn out not to have done their homework.
They did their homework. If you want to use Patreon and you have to deal with VAT, get to work and don't expect Patreon to do it for you. Especially all of the unnecessary paperwork for a backwards psuedo-nation.
You mean all the unnecessary paperwork for every EU member state affected by the VAT changes?
And it's of course entirely reasonable to expect your users to know that they have to do the paperwork for contributions in the 1-10 dollar range themselves without ever explicitly telling them.
I'm not even sure that level of information is available to the users. If I were being funded on Patreon, would I have to get in touch with every single patron and ask them for their VAT details? And what would I do if someone didn't answer?
This is no different from the borderline criminal behaviour Uber and AirBnB are encouraging.