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Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by seestheday »

johnward wrote: post #206
slantyyz wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on TRT for life as a result of having testicular cancer twice. There are pros and cons to the various types of testosterone you could take. I'm using Androgel. From what I remember when researching my options in 2007 (things have possibly changed a lot since then): Monthly shots -- the thing with shots is that your levels go up right after you get your shot and slowly taper off. It's possible that your moods are…

I took weekly shots at 100mg. Cypionate is usually prescribed in the US. Enthate everywhere else. Monthly is way too long. Most doctors recommend every two weeks. However, there was a new report ( http://rd.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-72185-4_11 ) that shows the half life ( http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/articles/article-steroid-half-li... ) of which they thought was closer to 12 days is actually something li…

What about pellets/implants? Aren't they supposed to release more consistently over a longer period?

Please excuse my ignorance on this, I am in Canada, have been blessed with naturally high T levels, and have no experience with anti-aging clinics, but I'm fascinated by the subject.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by Xcelerate »

I have a hard time believing this. My testosterone level is 1,114 ng/dL naturally and I sure don't feel pumped full of energy and ready to go all the time (I'm 24). And I was even a D1 athlete. All it means for me is a greater risk of prostate cancer (which both my grandfathers had). My doctor was concerned about it being that high.

Also, I think the rumors about men with high testosterone being aggressive or having a "player/alpha" mentality have been disproven; I don't remember which journal that study was in. I'm about the least aggressive person I know. If anything, I'm too passive and have a difficult time expressing what I want.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by knodi123 »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #150
Loic wrote: post #106

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Studies[0] do support that eunuchs live longer than average men. You have also a study of the eunuchs of China's Emperor were living way longer than the men having the same lifestyle in the Forbidden City. I sadly can't find the study at the moment. [0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch#Eunuchs_in_the_contempor...

I wonder if this could be attributed to STDs, jealous lovers, and other risks a sexual active person might be exposed to compared to a sexually inactive person.

plus, eunuch are typically purpose-made. how many eunuchs deal with starvation, unemployment, or homelessness?

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by billsimpson »

davak wrote: post #55

MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it'll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it's a good assumption. Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testoste…

> health issues such as balding

Thanks, doc. Though I agree most men would prefer to avoid it, I never really regarded my balding as a health issue before now (and especially not the one I'd lead with over cancer and heart disease).

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by [deleted] »

davak wrote: post #55

MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it'll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it's a good assumption. Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testoste…

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Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by graeme »

saiya-jin wrote: post #159
vidarh wrote: post #92

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I do power lifting (non-competitive), and while I'm noticeably muscular and lift more than most people at my gym (no competitive lifters there, so doesn't say all that much), I'm not nearly at peak muscle volume nor do I look nearly as big as body builders much smaller than me - leanness makes a huge difference to perceived muscle size. Still, from an hour 2-4 times a week (2 times a week at the moment), with no ster…

Yeah, definitely, but there are drawbacks too. if you already have a woman by your side that you want to spend rest of your life with (and judging by your comment about son, you should be there) - extra ladies attention is annoying as hell. If you are actually mentally a grown up, this ain't an impressive result as it might seem :) (Yes, been/am there, but to impress ladies you don't need to be creepy muscular type.…

>to impress ladies you don't need to be creepy muscular type. Just a sporty one.

This is setting up a false dichotomy. Women (and men) generally don't find an inflated look attractive.

The parent was talking more about strength, rather than muscle volume "I'm not nearly at peak muscle volume nor do I look nearly as big as body builders much smaller than me".

I'm 150 pounds, but I can lift 250. I look strong, sure, but I'm even stronger than I look. I do barbell training, which I'm guessing is what the original comment's author does too.

Women seem to find this lean strength primally attractive. It's true the female attention could cause a problem, but this kind of strength will also make you more attractive to your partner, which is hardly a bad thing.

Strength is versatile too. I can hike a mountain, ski, run, and do pretty much any physical activity you can name. Chronic pain disappeared too. I'm sure I'd lose a bit of strength on a three week trip, but who cares? You can always get that back.

I can't comment on high altitude performance, but it sounds like you're referring to the inflated types there too.

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Post by lukas099 »

billsimpson wrote: post #224
davak wrote: post #55

MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it'll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it's a good assumption. Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testoste…

> health issues such as balding Thanks, doc. Though I agree most men would prefer to avoid it, I never really regarded my balding as a health issue before now (and especially not the one I'd lead with over cancer and heart disease).

He probably led with balding because it is the most common symptom. An 80% chance of going bald is more important to a lot of men than a 0.1% chance of heart disease.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by lukas099 »

q-base wrote: post #85
davak wrote: post #55

MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it'll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it's a good assumption. Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testoste…

Then there is the quality vs. quantity aspect of living. Longer living should not be the goal in itself.

No, but it should be a goal in itself. If you enjoy life, there's nothing wrong with wanting to live longer.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by undrcvr-lagggal »

davak wrote: post #55

MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it'll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it's a good assumption. Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testoste…

> There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testosterone.

So then, could it be true that getting your protein from soy based foods (e.g., tofu, tempeh, miso) presents an obstacle to being hit by these?

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Post by ScottBurson »

pyre wrote: post #208
delecti wrote: post #200

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It's perfectly reasonable to assume that the healthy living things that drive up T result in a longer lifespan, but I also don't see any conflict in thinking that it would make you live even longer still if not for that higher T.

True, but this: > If testosterone is the culprit for increased risk of coronary artery disease, prostate cancer and sleep apnea, then doing things that naturally increase testosterone will increase risk also. states that the result of higher T through natural processes is increased risk. It discounts the possibility that there is a net decreased risk due to the processes themselves decreasing risk to the point that i…

It also overlooks the fact that when you're taking hormone supplements, it's both tempting and very easy to increase your levels above what you would get through natural means.
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