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Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by johnward » Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 6:12 PM UTC

droopyEyelids wrote: post #147

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" I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me)". For me I almost always drop 20lbs on T and am much leaner than I am off or on clomid. On clomid I generally gain weight. "- TRT is a problem if you keep going for too long, because your body just doesn't produce testosterone as it used to, because it expects it from the outside, so below 35 or rather b…

How did you test your fertility

I am working with a fertility clinic but it's a standard lab test. You do your thing in a cup and they run it through some tests for count, motility, shape, etc. They want more than 15m sperm per ml. I had initial tests on 0, 2m, 5m. After treatment with 25mg of clomid for a few months I had 65m. My wife is also on letrozole and we tried IUI and still haven't got pregnant. It's more difficult than I thought it would be.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by johnward » Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 6:19 PM UTC

eyeJam wrote: post #149

johnward wrote: post #107

I'm 28 now and I have hypogonadisn and have experience using T and other options like clomid. My total T was I finally went to the doc. Got the blood work and was put ona low dosage of Testosterone. Enough to get me to the 500ng/dl range. My quality of life improved dramatically and I was the happy and productive person I used to be. I felt like I did in my early 20s instead of like I was approaching 50. Now I have t…

If anyone's ever watched the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*" they raise some interesting points questioning why steroids are demonized. Professional musicians take beta-blockers, athletes get laser eye surgery and take cortisone and opiate shots before/during competition, programmers take Adderall and Modafinil, male porn stars shot their penises full of drugs to stay erect for hours on end, etc. etc. Plenty…

That's a great documentary. If you haven't heard of it: http://www.biggerstrongerfastermovie.com/

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by freshfey » Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 6:27 PM UTC

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I did do it 6 days per week, although the 7th was naturally a fasting day because I went to bed later and got up later. So you could say almost every day. It gets very easy with time.

6 days per week? How many meals are you skipping?

You do skip breakfast every day essentially.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by freshfey » Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 6:28 PM UTC

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For a 23 year old, I wouldn't consider 4xx high, to be honest.

I believe he said he got close to 1000ng/dl naturally, which I consider on the high side based on lab ranges. 400ng/dl is actually interpreted by some doctors as low depending on symptoms even though it's "in range".

Ah yeah, sorry, the 1024 was definitely on the high side for me, but I thought you were referring to the 400

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by johnward » Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 6:28 PM UTC

seestheday wrote: post #209

eyeJam wrote: post #149

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If anyone's ever watched the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*" they raise some interesting points questioning why steroids are demonized. Professional musicians take beta-blockers, athletes get laser eye surgery and take cortisone and opiate shots before/during competition, programmers take Adderall and Modafinil, male porn stars shot their penises full of drugs to stay erect for hours on end, etc. etc. Plenty…

Unfortunately the problem is that they work too well. Every time they are legalized in a limited capacity they are abused in professional sports. The effect is massively amplified if you give women drugs because they don't have testosterone levels like men do. Those records that were set in the 70's pre-testing will likely never be broken. The issue is that if it is legal, there is a huge incentive to take it to an a…

The issue that athletes abuse the drugs seems like a problem the athletic association/league/body should prevent instead of classifying anabolic steroids as schedule III drug.

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Post by stolio » Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 6:29 PM UTC

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"start meditating" Research has not shown that meditation beats a placebo Studies about meditation are usually of poor quality. Source: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/03/08/r...

More information to satisfy the complaints of my critics regarding the date, definitions, forms of meditation, etc: A systematic study on the efficacy of various forms of meditation programs (inc mantra, transcendental, and mindfulness meditation), commissioned by the US Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, was published in 2014.[67] After a review of 17,801 citations, the study based its conclusions on 41 ran…

You should be aware that the "CSM Mantra" (?) and "TM" meditation are very fringe forms. When most people say "start meditating" they're generally not referring to those. I personally consider TM to be neutral-to-harmful and I've never heard of this CSM Mantra until just now.

Mindfulness meditation, which is the only form tied to the 2,500 years of Buddhist meditation tradition, did ok.

Interesting is the graph of the results where you see the mindfulness meditation fared better than the "mantra" meditations pretty much across the board (even though most of it wasn't statistically significant.)

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by whitewhim » Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 6:34 PM UTC

saiya-jin wrote: post #159

vidarh wrote: post #92

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I do power lifting (non-competitive), and while I'm noticeably muscular and lift more than most people at my gym (no competitive lifters there, so doesn't say all that much), I'm not nearly at peak muscle volume nor do I look nearly as big as body builders much smaller than me - leanness makes a huge difference to perceived muscle size. Still, from an hour 2-4 times a week (2 times a week at the moment), with no ster…

Yeah, definitely, but there are drawbacks too. if you already have a woman by your side that you want to spend rest of your life with (and judging by your comment about son, you should be there) - extra ladies attention is annoying as hell. If you are actually mentally a grown up, this ain't an impressive result as it might seem :) (Yes, been/am there, but to impress ladies you don't need to be creepy muscular type.…

I do agree that the extra attention can be unwanted and negative sometimes. For example, I've worked out the whole time I've dated my girlfriend of around ~5 years. However, at the start we were in high school and I was super lean due to MMA and rugby. Now, that I'm older and lifting has finely started to obtain noticeable results/ having lost a bit of baby-face my girlfriend started to become a bit jealous/insecure with herself. No matter what I said, she wouldn't believe that I found her more attractive then everyone else. She understands its irrational but its hard to fight insecurities. At this point she has started going to the gym and is a much harder worker then me there.

With regards to fitness, I definitely agree that I prefer a practical definition of fitness level. I may not look gigantic compared to some of the guys in the gym, but I can both lift a lot of weight, run fast sprints and long distance runs. Its that type of fitness that is great for rugby.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by whitewhim » Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 6:39 PM UTC

gadders wrote: post #139

vidarh wrote: post #92

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I do power lifting (non-competitive), and while I'm noticeably muscular and lift more than most people at my gym (no competitive lifters there, so doesn't say all that much), I'm not nearly at peak muscle volume nor do I look nearly as big as body builders much smaller than me - leanness makes a huge difference to perceived muscle size. Still, from an hour 2-4 times a week (2 times a week at the moment), with no ster…

I don't know about your first point, but definitely all the rest apply to me. I don't look like a body builder, but I definitely feel and look more solid at 43. Basically for the cost of a few hours a week you can +1 or +2 you strength and consitution scores.

I also notice calming and de-stressing effects from working out as well. I work long hours normally but I would still much rather go to the gym and workout then go home and lie on the couch, as I'd go insane at the lab if I didn't.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by RankingMember » Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 6:41 PM UTC

6stringmerc wrote: post #152

Big fan of supplementation...growing up as a couch potato that medical professionals said should never, ever lift weights due to a physical handicap, I had a lot of body image issues. The fact I really enjoyed comic books didn't help my perception either. Just take a look for yourself and the way the Super Hero bodytype looks like. Straight up juiced[1]. Then, I started natural using a book from the library. Weightli…

Just curious, but would you mind specifying the handicap this helped you overcome? I'm genuinely curious and it would add more context to your story.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by seestheday » Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 6:54 PM UTC

johnward wrote: post #215

seestheday wrote: post #209

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Unfortunately the problem is that they work too well. Every time they are legalized in a limited capacity they are abused in professional sports. The effect is massively amplified if you give women drugs because they don't have testosterone levels like men do. Those records that were set in the 70's pre-testing will likely never be broken. The issue is that if it is legal, there is a huge incentive to take it to an a…

The issue that athletes abuse the drugs seems like a problem the athletic association/league/body should prevent instead of classifying anabolic steroids as schedule III drug.

Agreed.