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Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by jkscm »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #150
Loic wrote: post #106

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Studies[0] do support that eunuchs live longer than average men. You have also a study of the eunuchs of China's Emperor were living way longer than the men having the same lifestyle in the Forbidden City. I sadly can't find the study at the moment. [0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch#Eunuchs_in_the_contempor...

I wonder if this could be attributed to STDs, jealous lovers, and other risks a sexual active person might be exposed to compared to a sexually inactive person.

This does not explain the differences between man and woman. Especially because infection chances are higher for women. Assuming that males and females have the same number of average sexuall contacts.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by michaelbarton »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #150
Loic wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Studies[0] do support that eunuchs live longer than average men. You have also a study of the eunuchs of China's Emperor were living way longer than the men having the same lifestyle in the Forbidden City. I sadly can't find the study at the moment. [0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch#Eunuchs_in_the_contempor...

I wonder if this could be attributed to STDs, jealous lovers, and other risks a sexual active person might be exposed to compared to a sexually inactive person.

This is an excellent point that made me think. Perhaps you could examine through how the data is collected. You could hypothesise that the mean age of death is affected by non-testosterone increased aging such as murder by a jealous lover. These would pull down that average, where as the mode might show the more the 'typical' lifespan.

However you might also hypthesise that high levels of testosterone might cause you to engage in behaviors that would make make other people want to kill you! Also including other risky behaviors such as driving fast this could also be a direct effect of testosterone.

A very interesting thought!

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by voidlogic »

golemotron wrote: post #86
mironathetin wrote: post #68

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I am happy that an expert without a bias reports about this. What you noted down came back into my mind immediately. These were the reported risks for professional athletes (back in the days when I decided to study physics instead of taking more of this junk and go pro). There are also natural ways to keep your own T level high, like healthy food, enough sleep, everything that increases your muscle mass (weightliftin…

I don't think so. If testosterone is the culprit for increased risk of coronary artery disease, prostate cancer and sleep apnea, then doing things that naturally increase testosterone will increase risk also. Don't succumb to the naturalistic fallacy. The body doesn't care where it gets its chemicals from.

>I don't think so. If testosterone is the culprit for increased risk of coronary artery disease, prostate cancer and sleep apnea, then doing things that naturally increase testosterone will increase risk also.

True- BUT many of those things mentioned to be thought to improve Testosterone above are also known to reduce risks that are associated with Testosterone itself (heart disease, etc). So there may be some net balancing at play here?

>Don't succumb to the naturalistic fallacy. The body doesn't care where it gets its chemicals from.

This is true in the immediate, but consuming things your body synthesizes (ex. testosterone, cholesterol) will often reduce the rate at which your body synthesizes it... Your body is a complex system with many feedback loops.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by jkscm »

freshfey wrote: post #73
return0 wrote: post #13

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You 're quite young. i wonder if it is possible to change so fast when you're older.

take a look at the book "4 Hour Body" by Tim Ferriss, there in the chapter Improving Sex, sub-chapter: "Sex Machine I: Adventures in Tripling Testosterone" I think in there the author, Tim Ferriss aged 34(?), mentions how he went from 2xx to 6xx in a very short amount of time, mainly by changing his nutrition.

Or it could be a coincidence since the number of test subjects was 1.

I like how the examine.com article sums it up:

> Although 'natural' (non-supplemental) methods of increasing testosterone are pretty weak and unlikely to build muscle mass, they tend to be related to pro-sexual effects (particularly libido) and exerting dominance

http://examine.com/faq/how-can-i-increase-testosterone-natur...

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by parennoob »

gadders wrote: post #140
davak wrote: post #55

MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it'll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it's a good assumption. Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testoste…

>>Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. I resent that. I don't have low testosterone but I'd still say I was a loving father and husband and a generally good person. Being "manly" doesn't mean being a dick, quite the opposite.

> Being "manly" doesn't mean being a dick

I think it is mildly amusing that you are saying being manly doesn't equal the organ that is literally the representation of masculinity (albeit often disguised, as in the Mars symbol).

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by freshfey »

johnward wrote: post #113
toolz wrote: post #26

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>- I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me) The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth. Take this 10 week study for instance, http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 . The placebo group working out didn't experience nearly as much muscle gain as those taking testosterone did…

The original poster had High T levels to start with. Maybe he didn't notice much of a change. I noticed a significant change going from <120ng/dl to 500ng/dl (still less than OP). I always drop weight when I am on T and get much leaner without changing anything else. Well it does make it easier to work out and diet but even without any changes it makes a big difference. Each time I go off and onto something else like…

For a 23 year old, I wouldn't consider 4xx high, to be honest.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by collyw »

repsilat wrote: post #163
woofyman wrote: post #158

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Zinc, magnesium and vitamin D are essential for the production of testosterone.

The fact that they're necessary conditions for its production doesn't mean they're sufficient, though. It doesn't follow that you can just take a vitamin pill and get some sunlight and you'll naturally have high levels of testosterone.

The original post describe a healthy lifestyle, not just eating a few vitamins, but exercise, sleep and others.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by collyw »

gadders wrote: post #140
davak wrote: post #55

MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it'll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it's a good assumption. Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testoste…

>>Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. I resent that. I don't have low testosterone but I'd still say I was a loving father and husband and a generally good person. Being "manly" doesn't mean being a dick, quite the opposite.

I just turned 40 and I get a lot more wound up by incompetent workmates or similar things than I did 20 years ago.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by gadders »

parennoob wrote: post #175
gadders wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. I resent that. I don't have low testosterone but I'd still say I was a loving father and husband and a generally good person. Being "manly" doesn't mean being a dick, quite the opposite.

> Being "manly" doesn't mean being a dick I think it is mildly amusing that you are saying being manly doesn't equal the organ that is literally the representation of masculinity (albeit often disguised, as in the Mars symbol).

Yeah. I am so deeply oppressed by the matriarchy they're even affecting my language choices ;-)

You get the idea though. To be gender neutral, I should swap dick for arsehole.

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