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Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by manmal »

freshfey wrote: post #75
toolz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>- I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me) The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth. Take this 10 week study for instance, http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 . The placebo group working out didn't experience nearly as much muscle gain as those taking testosterone did…

I can only answer with my personal experience here: During the intermittent fasting time (age 25), where I went from from 6xx to 1024ng/dl, I didn't gain significant amount of muscle, although I was working out with heavy (free) weights, 3x per week.

Did you also lose bodyfat at that time? Because it's hard to gain mass if you fast and are at a caloric deficit. That's what Leangains' bulking period is all about - eat 10-20% above maintenance so you do gain mass.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by chrisbennet »

jriley wrote: post #66

I found DHEA in the natural aisle of local grocery store under $10. I take a low dose daily (in my early 30s). Worth researching. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydroepiandrosterone

Given the recent revelation by the New York attorney general's office [1], what confidence do you have that you are actually getting what is on the label?

(I didn't down vote you.)

[1] http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/new-york-attorney-g...

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by kghose »

davak wrote: post #55

MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it'll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it's a good assumption. Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testoste…

>Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines.

Is your medical practice anecdote based too?

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by freshfey »

pervycreeper wrote: post #46
freshfey wrote: post #10

As someone who went from 430 ng/dl to 1024 ng/dl naturally in about two years time (from age 23 to 25) the only thing I can say is don't jump to too many conclusions here. - Your testosterone should be naturally high if you're below 30 (and male) - If not, something is wrong and you need to fix it (start with blood work, check your diet, move) - If you testosterone is in the normal ranges (blood work recommends betwe…

>I can provide more info or details/specifics if wanted/needed. Please do. Some references to further reading would also be appreciated.

Sure, what are you looking for specifically?

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by q-base »

davak wrote: post #55

MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it'll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it's a good assumption. Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testoste…

Then there is the quality vs. quantity aspect of living. Longer living should not be the goal in itself.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by golemotron »

mironathetin wrote: post #68
davak wrote: post #55

MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it'll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it's a good assumption. Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines. There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testoste…

I am happy that an expert without a bias reports about this. What you noted down came back into my mind immediately. These were the reported risks for professional athletes (back in the days when I decided to study physics instead of taking more of this junk and go pro). There are also natural ways to keep your own T level high, like healthy food, enough sleep, everything that increases your muscle mass (weightliftin…

I don't think so. If testosterone is the culprit for increased risk of coronary artery disease, prostate cancer and sleep apnea, then doing things that naturally increase testosterone will increase risk also.

Don't succumb to the naturalistic fallacy. The body doesn't care where it gets its chemicals from.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by hellodevnull »

>I was just at the gym watching the 30-year-olds at the pull-up bar building muscles in three weeks. And I’m at the pull up bar and nothing’s happening

While many of you are thinking that he's making excuses (he might be) or that the other guys worked long and hard to build muscle, I can relate: I've been lifting weights three times a week for the last four years. I still look average, and yes I'm eating and exercising properly.

I believe it might be something to do with testosterone. I was always skinny, high body fat and frail. I worked super hard to even start exercising, eventually I was able to get into routine but still now I feel like I should look much better after all this time.

What's the deal with testosterone in UK? I'm 27, is it likely that I can get it? Are there home test kits I can get (reliable ones)? Do testosterone boosters actually work (I can't verify without testing)?

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by jriley »

chrisbennet wrote: post #82
jriley wrote: post #66

I found DHEA in the natural aisle of local grocery store under $10. I take a low dose daily (in my early 30s). Worth researching. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydroepiandrosterone

Given the recent revelation by the New York attorney general's office [1], what confidence do you have that you are actually getting what is on the label? (I didn't down vote you.) [1] http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/new-york-attorney-g...

Fairly confident, although I do believe there is snake oil on the same aisle. I've used brands Natrol and Nature's Bounty.

I understand DHEA as a steroid hormone that is a precursor to testosterone. I consider the drug's banned status in athletic competition as a signal it might be effective.

From Wiki: "DHEA is legal to sell in the United States as a dietary supplement. It is currently grandfathered in as an "Old Dietary Ingredient" being on sale prior to 1994. DHEA is specifically exempted from the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990 and 2004 It is banned from use in athletic competition."

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by chillax »

hellodevnull wrote: post #87

>I was just at the gym watching the 30-year-olds at the pull-up bar building muscles in three weeks. And I’m at the pull up bar and nothing’s happening While many of you are thinking that he's making excuses (he might be) or that the other guys worked long and hard to build muscle, I can relate: I've been lifting weights three times a week for the last four years. I still look average, and yes I'm eating and exercisi…

Have you gained or lost any weight?

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by [deleted] »

hellodevnull wrote: post #87

>I was just at the gym watching the 30-year-olds at the pull-up bar building muscles in three weeks. And I’m at the pull up bar and nothing’s happening While many of you are thinking that he's making excuses (he might be) or that the other guys worked long and hard to build muscle, I can relate: I've been lifting weights three times a week for the last four years. I still look average, and yes I'm eating and exercisi…

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