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Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by dood »

Simp wrote: post #18
freshfey wrote: post #10

As someone who went from 430 ng/dl to 1024 ng/dl naturally in about two years time (from age 23 to 25) the only thing I can say is don't jump to too many conclusions here. - Your testosterone should be naturally high if you're below 30 (and male) - If not, something is wrong and you need to fix it (start with blood work, check your diet, move) - If you testosterone is in the normal ranges (blood work recommends betwe…

"start meditating" Research has not shown that meditation beats a placebo Studies about meditation are usually of poor quality. Source: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/03/08/r...

That meditation research has historically been inconclusive and of poor quality does not mean it doesn't do anything.

Also, meditation research has come a long way since the studies cited in your source. Something I dug up quickly: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/americanbuddhist/2014/01/the-ef...

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by return0 »

stinos wrote: post #23
Simp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"start meditating" Research has not shown that meditation beats a placebo Studies about meditation are usually of poor quality. Source: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/03/08/r...

Research has not shown that meditation beats a placebo Isn't that sort of irrelevant here? I think the OP's point is that it helps, not that it helps better than something else (wahtever that may be, even a placebo)?

If it doesn't help more than a placebo, then it doesn't help at all.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by gadders »

Jimmed wrote: post #33
paganel wrote: post #29

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> The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth Genuine question: Why this emphasis on increasing "muscle growth"? What benefits does it bring us (men)?

Genuine answer: Feeling better about our self-image / placating the fear that we're "not manly enough".

I also find that being strong(er) is more useful in my daily life than increased aerobic capability i.e. picking my nine year old daughter up and carrying her on my shoulders, moving heavy stuff in the garden etc.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by WhitneyLand »

whizzrd wrote: post #31

Read the leaflets for this product: side effects may differ depending on the region of application ;) AU: http://www.besins-healthcare.com/pdf/testogel%20patient%20in... US: http://www.besins-healthcare.com/pdf/androgel_PI.pdf

This is utterly useless. Many safe drugs have long, scary side effect descriptions. Conversely, many drugs that have proved harmful over the long term have done so in ways that weren't described on a side effect disclosure.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by mackwic »

collyw wrote: post #30
Simp wrote: post #18

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"start meditating" Research has not shown that meditation beats a placebo Studies about meditation are usually of poor quality. Source: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/03/08/r...

Placebo is an effective harm free way of improving many conditions. Why dismiss it so readily?

The question is not if Placebo is an efficient method. We know for sure that it is. The question is if training and practicing meditation is better than doing nothing.

If you don't beat the placebo, it could mean that there's nothing to train and practice.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by pervycreeper »

freshfey wrote: post #10

As someone who went from 430 ng/dl to 1024 ng/dl naturally in about two years time (from age 23 to 25) the only thing I can say is don't jump to too many conclusions here. - Your testosterone should be naturally high if you're below 30 (and male) - If not, something is wrong and you need to fix it (start with blood work, check your diet, move) - If you testosterone is in the normal ranges (blood work recommends betwe…

>I can provide more info or details/specifics if wanted/needed.

Please do. Some references to further reading would also be appreciated.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by stinos »

return0 wrote: post #42
stinos wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Research has not shown that meditation beats a placebo Isn't that sort of irrelevant here? I think the OP's point is that it helps, not that it helps better than something else (wahtever that may be, even a placebo)?

If it doesn't help more than a placebo, then it doesn't help at all.

Wordplay? If it helps just as much (which technically is also 'not more'), it could still help since a placebo might help. Hell, even if it would help 'less' than a placebo it might still be helping since I didn't quantify exactly how much :P

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by anjc »

alecco wrote: post #24

This is quack science. I wouldn't exchange temporary muscular gains for getting bald and other nasty long term side effects.

Sure all muscle gains are temporary. And TRT is typically used by people who would be at an age where baldness is common anyway.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by toolz »

raverbashing wrote: post #40
toolz wrote: post #26

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>- I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me) The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth. Take this 10 week study for instance, http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 . The placebo group working out didn't experience nearly as much muscle gain as those taking testosterone did…

Depends on a lot of factors. 1 - Exercise 2 - The dosage. Having a slight amount over the normal dosage won't cause a big gain in muscle mass. (600mg is a significant dosage, see Table 3 on the article for the sorological difference)

I'm not sure I'm understanding your point. Of course exercise changes muscle gains, but the surprising result was that the men who did not exercise had more muscle gains than those on the placebo who did exercise.

As for the dosage, yes, this study had really high dosage and reports no negative side effects for the 10 week period it was used.

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