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Testosterone is the drug of the future
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Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future
#32I wonder if it is possible to compare today's T levels with men of 100 years ago or even more. It could be that the industrialization and urbanization has caused a massive change in T levels because of natural reasons (less sun, less exercise, less anxiety, processed foods, tight clothing, what have you)
I suspect women never really talked about menopause until recent decades, yet they have been experiencing it throughout the existence of our species. (Although there is that traditional "Maiden, Mother, Crone" thing. Hmm.)
Anyway, only recently have men started talking about andropause. The main reason it is still a controversial subject is because men's reproduction systems don't completely shut down, and because the process can sometimes be much slower. However we still go through many of the same hormonal changes and it is rather unnerving.
I think we have only the barest minimum of understanding of the chemical processes that control and regulate our bodies. Jumping on the production a single chemical as the root of all issues is a little ridiculous sounding to me. Especially in light of all of the recent discoveries about our microbiome. (gut bacteria)
It is an insanely complex interplay. Over the next few decades I'm sure our understanding will increase exponentially.
It would indeed be very interesting to compare the spectrum and balance of hormones and microbiome structures from 100 years ago to those typical in the contemporary human. It could be different because of lifestyle and environment, or it could be self regulating, and nearly the same (the perceived differences being cultural).
Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
>- I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me) The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth. Take this 10 week study for instance, http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 . The placebo group working out didn't experience nearly as much muscle gain as those taking testosterone did…
> The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth Genuine question: Why this emphasis on increasing "muscle growth"? What benefits does it bring us (men)?
Genuine answer: Feeling better about our self-image / placating the fear that we're "not manly enough".
Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future
#34Presumably if you go this route you can't enter any organised sporting events or do any form of competitive racing? Just saying, because as you get older, if you start getting some fitness back you'll possibly want to start challenging yourself this way -- look how many vets enter triathlons and marathons, ride gran fondos etc. I'd see supplements like this as a last resort, for when a changed diet/exercise regime etc. haven't worked.
Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future
#35Read about it 15 years ago in a Belgian magazine. A Belgian doctor was claiming the same. To be quite honest I use it already for 15 years and indeed it changes you. It helps me to be in "sana in corpore sano". Let's hope the negative health impacts on long term are not to bet so my body stays sano :)
Would you be kind enough to share your experience? I ask you this as a 29 yrs old who's mortified of aging and feels guilty as hell for having a "all-day-sitting" job.
When I was 29, I felt just the same. Then I hit 30... and realised it doesn't matter.
Relax. Worrying about being too old at 29 is absurd. When you are 39, I promise you, you will think back and laugh yourself silly.
The all day sitting job might be a real problem, though.
Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
>- I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me) The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth. Take this 10 week study for instance, http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 . The placebo group working out didn't experience nearly as much muscle gain as those taking testosterone did…
> The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth Genuine question: Why this emphasis on increasing "muscle growth"? What benefits does it bring us (men)?
Well, muscle growth normally means being more strong, and being more strong is generally better than being less so.
Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future
#37It would be nice to have broader shoulders, but an increased sex drive sounds inconvenient. Life is just more dignified without so much neediness. I don't get why anyone (without a more sex-hungry partner, ie most men) would want that. Is it just a gender stereotype / bro thing?
I am guessing because some hormonal changes in mid/elder life will kick in some kind of emotional down that is mostly fillable by children, rather than peer validation and stuff.
That's what I am terrified of. Celibacy allows me to have room to do everything I want to do in life. I'm just terrified I will wake up one day (again) with a hormonal landslide affecting every thought, direction, and attitude I have.
Cats like me though, so there's always that.
Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
>- I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me) The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth. Take this 10 week study for instance, http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 . The placebo group working out didn't experience nearly as much muscle gain as those taking testosterone did…
> The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth Genuine question: Why this emphasis on increasing "muscle growth"? What benefits does it bring us (men)?
increased metabolism meaning your less likely to get fat.
Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future
#39This is quack science. I wouldn't exchange temporary muscular gains for getting bald and other nasty long term side effects.
What is quack about it? Lots of people are noting anecdotally that is has huge benefits. Are there strong studies disproving this? As to the negative effects, what is the largest/longest term/most reputable citation you have for us?
Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future
#40As someone who went from 430 ng/dl to 1024 ng/dl naturally in about two years time (from age 23 to 25) the only thing I can say is don't jump to too many conclusions here. - Your testosterone should be naturally high if you're below 30 (and male) - If not, something is wrong and you need to fix it (start with blood work, check your diet, move) - If you testosterone is in the normal ranges (blood work recommends betwe…
>- I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me) The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth. Take this 10 week study for instance, http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 . The placebo group working out didn't experience nearly as much muscle gain as those taking testosterone did…
Depends on a lot of factors.
1 - Exercise
2 - The dosage. Having a slight amount over the normal dosage won't cause a big gain in muscle mass. (600mg is a significant dosage, see Table 3 on the article for the sorological difference)