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Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by stinos »

tormeh wrote: post #11

It would be nice to have broader shoulders, but an increased sex drive sounds inconvenient. Life is just more dignified without so much neediness. I don't get why anyone (without a more sex-hungry partner, ie most men) would want that. Is it just a gender stereotype / bro thing?

Pretty sure quite a lot of people out there would rather take more frequent, good sex over something rather superficial as broader shoulders. Sex can be extremely pleasant especially if all parties feel like it and are longing for each other. Getting older the opportunities for such sex can become less frequent though, and an increased sex drive could help to counter that. Not sure taking drugs is the best way to achieve that though..

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by beaumartinez »

return0 wrote: post #16

I wonder if it is possible to compare today's T levels with men of 100 years ago or even more. It could be that the industrialization and urbanization has caused a massive change in T levels because of natural reasons (less sun, less exercise, less anxiety, processed foods, tight clothing, what have you)

Alcohol, plastics (which leech from containers into the liquid they contain), pesticides (on fruits, vegetables)—there are a host of environmental factors that reduce our testosterone levels.

And as for anxiety, I think our modern urban lifestyle far increases our anxiety levels compared to our ancestors.

The human body was not meant for the world we live in!

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by stinos »

Simp wrote: post #18
freshfey wrote: post #10

As someone who went from 430 ng/dl to 1024 ng/dl naturally in about two years time (from age 23 to 25) the only thing I can say is don't jump to too many conclusions here. - Your testosterone should be naturally high if you're below 30 (and male) - If not, something is wrong and you need to fix it (start with blood work, check your diet, move) - If you testosterone is in the normal ranges (blood work recommends betwe…

"start meditating" Research has not shown that meditation beats a placebo Studies about meditation are usually of poor quality. Source: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/03/08/r...

Research has not shown that meditation beats a placebo

Isn't that sort of irrelevant here? I think the OP's point is that it helps, not that it helps better than something else (wahtever that may be, even a placebo)?

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by paulojreis »

stinos wrote: post #14
paulojreis wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you be kind enough to share your experience? I ask you this as a 29 yrs old who's mortified of aging and feels guilty as hell for having a "all-day-sitting" job.

mortified of aging Isn't that rather a psychological issue? After all, aging is still quite unavoidable. Would postponing the unavoidable end really make you less mortified? feels guilty Sort of the same remark as above. Moreover, it is (afaik) not proven taking any kind of drug will counter or reverse the damage done by sitting all day - so taking drugs anyway would just act as a placebo: it doesn't really help with…

> Isn't that rather a psychological issue? After all, aging is still quite unavoidable. Would postponing the unavoidable end really make you less mortified?

Well, it was merely a way of saying that I worry about aging. No one is questioning the "unavoidable end", really - I am just interested in the idea of aging without losing too much life "quality".

> Sort of the same remark as above. Moreover, it is (afaik) not proven taking any kind of drug will counter or reverse the damage done by sitting all day - so taking drugs anyway would just act as a placebo: it doesn't really help with the actual problem, but you wouldn't feel guilty because you would think it does help. Which is maybe worse than your current situation as you would be less tempted to find a more suitable solution. Which is hard to figure out without knowing your particular situation, but would typically include things such as less continuous sitting, more breaks, more moving around.

As above, please, don't take this as a "personal drama". I'm not really looking for any miracle drug. I get up hourly to stretch and drink water. I workout 4 times a week and do my best to keep nutrition in order. As I said above, I'm just curious; the user "toadi" has an experience which seems interesting, which is (only) what I asked for.

Just a quick remark, this is not strictly true: "would just act as a placebo: it doesn't really help with the actual problem". A placebo can really help with "actual" problems.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by toolz »

freshfey wrote: post #10

As someone who went from 430 ng/dl to 1024 ng/dl naturally in about two years time (from age 23 to 25) the only thing I can say is don't jump to too many conclusions here. - Your testosterone should be naturally high if you're below 30 (and male) - If not, something is wrong and you need to fix it (start with blood work, check your diet, move) - If you testosterone is in the normal ranges (blood work recommends betwe…

>- I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me)

The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth. Take this 10 week study for instance, http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101. The placebo group working out didn't experience nearly as much muscle gain as those taking testosterone did when they were not working out.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by gadders »

toolz wrote: post #26
freshfey wrote: post #10

As someone who went from 430 ng/dl to 1024 ng/dl naturally in about two years time (from age 23 to 25) the only thing I can say is don't jump to too many conclusions here. - Your testosterone should be naturally high if you're below 30 (and male) - If not, something is wrong and you need to fix it (start with blood work, check your diet, move) - If you testosterone is in the normal ranges (blood work recommends betwe…

>- I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me) The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth. Take this 10 week study for instance, http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 . The placebo group working out didn't experience nearly as much muscle gain as those taking testosterone did…

I guess it also depends on what exercises you're doing. Body Pump and Nautilus machines wouldn't cut it.

//edit// Or rather would help the OP a lot.

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by collyw »

tormeh wrote: post #11

It would be nice to have broader shoulders, but an increased sex drive sounds inconvenient. Life is just more dignified without so much neediness. I don't get why anyone (without a more sex-hungry partner, ie most men) would want that. Is it just a gender stereotype / bro thing?

I would have assumed wanting broad shoulder would be so you look more attractive to the opposite sex (or the same sex, if that's what you prefer).

The reason being you are more likely to get more sex...

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by paganel »

toolz wrote: post #26
freshfey wrote: post #10

As someone who went from 430 ng/dl to 1024 ng/dl naturally in about two years time (from age 23 to 25) the only thing I can say is don't jump to too many conclusions here. - Your testosterone should be naturally high if you're below 30 (and male) - If not, something is wrong and you need to fix it (start with blood work, check your diet, move) - If you testosterone is in the normal ranges (blood work recommends betwe…

>- I didn't get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me) The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth. Take this 10 week study for instance, http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 . The placebo group working out didn't experience nearly as much muscle gain as those taking testosterone did…

> The many studies done on this subject show that testosterone makes a huge impact on muscle growth

Genuine question: Why this emphasis on increasing "muscle growth"? What benefits does it bring us (men)?

Re: Testosterone is the drug of the future

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Post by collyw »

Simp wrote: post #18
freshfey wrote: post #10

As someone who went from 430 ng/dl to 1024 ng/dl naturally in about two years time (from age 23 to 25) the only thing I can say is don't jump to too many conclusions here. - Your testosterone should be naturally high if you're below 30 (and male) - If not, something is wrong and you need to fix it (start with blood work, check your diet, move) - If you testosterone is in the normal ranges (blood work recommends betwe…

"start meditating" Research has not shown that meditation beats a placebo Studies about meditation are usually of poor quality. Source: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/03/08/r...

Placebo is an effective harm free way of improving many conditions. Why dismiss it so readily?
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