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Re: The curious case of disappearing Polish S

#101

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It's ahem dangerous? When was the last time ANYONE truly used Ctrl-S to save the webpage as HTML? And why would my inability to do it with a keyboard shortcut be a dangerous problem?

Would you be so dismissive if the overridden key were Ctrl-W?

What's the relevance of that question? There's no reason it has to be all or nothing. I would harshly criticize any site that overrode ctrl-W but I couldn't care less if they override ctrl-S.

Re: The curious case of disappearing Polish S

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Users who do "Ctrl-S" to do fast save are certainly a minority. (1) That minority can have somewhere in the configuration of the site the setting where they can turn the default off, but the default should really be for $deity sake, don't override the default behaviour! 1) I'm old enough that I've programmed the computers with the front panel switches bit by bit, but I've never used "Ctrl-S" as the "fast save" when w…

The actual benefit of using ctrl-S (or cmd-S for us Mac folk) is that autosave is still not ubiquitous, and I'd much rather press cmd-S regularly when it's not necessary than fail to press it and then discover that I needed it. The great thing is that it's basically instantaneous now so it costs nothing to press it every few words, which definitely wasn't the case when I acquired the reflex in the late 80s or early 9…

I use some particularly crashy software at work, and even when autosave does work I have to play "Damn it, where did they put the autosave folder?" If I've saved in the last few minutes I can usually just redo it faster than finding the most recent save file.

I ought to keep a shortcut to that on my desktop.

Re: The curious case of disappearing Polish S

#103
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While most commentary is (fairly) focused on browser behavior and keyboard hijacking, I'd point out another viewpoint: why the frak does every latin alphabet using nation need its own keyboard layout? Couple of diacritics is hardly a good reason to reshuffle the whole keyboard.

In Polish cz, rz, dz, and sz are very common, like sh and ch in English. Look at your US style keyboard and notice when typing ch and sh it is a L followed by R hand press. Now look what happens when you want to enter the common Polish cz, dz, sz, or rz. They are both L hand. So that's why Y and Z are better swapped for Polish language. L and Ł are better to be two separate keys because often there is only one modifier key for the letters with tails and it is on the right near the L key.

Re: The curious case of disappearing Polish S

#104
post #95

While most commentary is (fairly) focused on browser behavior and keyboard hijacking, I'd point out another viewpoint: why the frak does every latin alphabet using nation need its own keyboard layout? Couple of diacritics is hardly a good reason to reshuffle the whole keyboard.

Because typewriters, and therefore keyboard layouts, predate computers. There's no technical reason to not just have composable meta-keys, excepting maybe the pure number of existent diacritics [0].

In fact, on the German keyboard, the circumflex (ˆ), acute accent (´), and grave accent (`) keys all compose with the next entered character. (That is, á is entered by pressing ´, then pressing a.)

Windows also offers an "international" keyboard mode which allows composition in a way similar to the German keyboard. [1]

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic

[1] http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306560

Re: The curious case of disappearing Polish S

#105
I use regularly English, German and Romanian. I find it easier to learn using the two extra standard layouts (not the programmer version) and change between them by ALT-SHIFT than pressing ALT-X for every diacritic. The WPM count falls drastically using the ALT key all the time.

Re: The curious case of disappearing Polish S

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I use regularly English, German and Romanian. I find it easier to learn using the two extra standard layouts (not the programmer version) and change between them by ALT-SHIFT than pressing ALT-X for every diacritic. The WPM count falls drastically using the ALT key all the time.

This is true for English and German but in the Polish layout the characters are only accessible with right Alt

Re: The curious case of disappearing Polish S

#107
post #97

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The actual benefit of using ctrl-S (or cmd-S for us Mac folk) is that autosave is still not ubiquitous, and I'd much rather press cmd-S regularly when it's not necessary than fail to press it and then discover that I needed it. The great thing is that it's basically instantaneous now so it costs nothing to press it every few words, which definitely wasn't the case when I acquired the reflex in the late 80s or early 9…

I use some particularly crashy software at work, and even when autosave does work I have to play "Damn it, where did they put the autosave folder?" If I've saved in the last few minutes I can usually just redo it faster than finding the most recent save file. I ought to keep a shortcut to that on my desktop.

Make that shortcut now before you forget about it again!

Re: The curious case of disappearing Polish S

#108

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The feature is rather useful for record-keeping purposes (also known as CYA).

Though you get an html file and a folder with all the external assets, which I find to be pretty annoying. Safari did a single .webarchive file, but I don't think anyone else ever standardized on something like that. It often wrecks the layout, but I tend to print to PDF rather than deal with saved html files.

Opera and IE support MHTML (MIME HTML), it seems to work alright

Re: The curious case of disappearing Polish S

#109

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The feature is rather useful for record-keeping purposes (also known as CYA).

Though you get an html file and a folder with all the external assets, which I find to be pretty annoying. Safari did a single .webarchive file, but I don't think anyone else ever standardized on something like that. It often wrecks the layout, but I tend to print to PDF rather than deal with saved html files.

Save-As writing bunch of resources, that when loaded back into the browser might even be broken by lack of external resources are also, in my oppinion, a bad way to keep evidence (e.g. CYA). If you need it to persuade a non-computer-savvy person of something stated on a website, I'd say a bunch of random files in a directory is also much less convincing than a "printed-to" pdf, or screenshots you can easily mail around.

Regarding the .webarchive, I think IE supports another type of "web archive", with a .mht ending.

Re: The curious case of disappearing Polish S

#110
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> Highly productive compared to the alternative. I dunno; I really preferred the alternative I used to have: reading email in a proper email client. The only reason I use the web client now is that it's easier when I'm also using my phone to read mail away from my computer. And I'm strongly considering just returning to desktop-only email; that's how much I miss reading mail in gnus.

I read my GMail email in a desktop client and on my tablet and have no problem. Why did you have to switch away from gnus?

At the time I was heavily using local groups (folders) to organise the emails, and of course those weren't living on Google's servers—and if I were going to leave them up on the server, I might as well choose to organise them differently, since I wouldn't have gnus filtering them for me.

And I think there was some trouble with IMAP at the time too, so the path of least resistance was to just use the web client on my desktop. But, as I noted, I'm thinking of going back.

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