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Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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It's great. SB3 beta has been completely stable for me the past year, so looking forward to testing the new builds.

The plugin system dies for me regularly. I wish I didn't have to quit ST3 to fix that.

That sounds like a bum package, or a corrupted install. If you are using Package Control you can copy the Packages/User/ folder to a fresh install and install Package Control to try fixing it. PC will do a fresh reinstall of missing packages.

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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I tried Atom for a week. The little half-second delays start to bite after a few days, and after a week you want to throw your computer out the window. Think about it. It's 2015. My PC has 8 cores running at unimaginable speeds. It has 16 GB of memory. And my text editor couldn't open files over 2097152 bytes. Am I living on a different planet from everyone else? How can people accept this as a normal situation?

I agree completely with this. In my job, I need to open up a lot of CSV files ranging from several MB to hundreds. Sublime Text, whilst not perfect is far better than anything else out there. It doesn't struggle with these files either.

vim would open multi-hundred megabyte files in seconds, if only you can invest in learning its modal editing mechanism (which, to be fair, is fairly arcane, and is proven to be a worse UI than free form editing).

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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I've used ST in the past, but due to slow release cycle, I switched to Vim. What really bugs me in ST is the fact that the guy doesn't have time to work, but still, it's not open source for the community to work together to achieve a decent release cycle.

It seems to me that ST would really benefit from being open-sourced, but I guess it depends on how much cash he's getting out of it, and whether he can afford to give that up.

I stick with ST because the plugin ecosystem is vibrant, it's hackable in a language I'd actually want to write, there's as much time-saving juice as Vim without me having to learn non-standard keyboard commands for the very basics (sorry, I like my arrow keys and Ctrl+x/c/v, and - god help me - my mouse), and it's not a sluggish, half-complete rip off of itself (cough Atom). I know enough Vim to get around a log or config file, but for serious work, Sublime and my brain are partners for life. (Unless Atom improves dramatically, anyway.)

I don't suffer from the slow development cycle, but I'm sure others do, depending on what it is they need.

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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I agree completely with this. In my job, I need to open up a lot of CSV files ranging from several MB to hundreds. Sublime Text, whilst not perfect is far better than anything else out there. It doesn't struggle with these files either.

vim would open multi-hundred megabyte files in seconds, if only you can invest in learning its modal editing mechanism (which, to be fair, is fairly arcane, and is proven to be a worse UI than free form editing).

Proven? Where?

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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I don't really like Atom because of the webkit usage, but I strongly agree that using a closed source text editor is a terrible idea for a programmer... when that editor stops being maintained all the time investment learning all it's time saving tricks is lost. Luckily I've been burned really early in my programming career by TextMate to know better: all my tools must be OSS and cross-platform.

I don't understand this line of thinking. For me a closed-source text editor such as Sublime Text makes me much more productive than it's open-source equivelent. The accumulated productivity gains far outweigh the timecost to learn a new tool, if Sublime Text disappeared (a couple of days at most?).

Well, in some time you will lose all your productivity when you have to switch. With a proprietary tool it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when' (unless it's provided by a huge corporation, but then they try to lock you in their ecosystem).

OTOH I will be able to use vim (or a fork of it) 20-30 years from now and become more and more productive with it during the timeframe.

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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I don't really see much point in Sublime Text now that GitHub's Atom is a pretty much a one->one replica but free, open-source and has a rather nice package manager for plugins.

Atom ist not free as in freedom, just free as in beer.

https://atom.io/faq says it's MIT licensed. So, free as in freedom.

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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> I've never heard why it's too slow. Because it uses Webkit and Javascript rather than being implemented natively.

I didn't mean technical reasons but what works slowly. Like: I enter a key and the letter shows up with perceivable delay (which in my experience, even with 100.000 lines isn't the case). One thing I found extremely slow for instance was copy and pasting of large chunks of text, but that's something I only experienced while testing Atom's performance. For my common text manipulation, I've never experienced the slowne…

- Text editors have been around for a very long time.

- Text editors are not that complex (even with plugin systems they are not doing HPC work).

- Text editors were not perceived as slow many years ago.

- Our computers have only got faster (10000x range).

- It is 2015 and a text editor is slow (sub-second delays in GUI, large file limits, etc).

- There are text editors not written in JS/Webkit that are not slow by orders of magnitude.

While I'm not bothered by Atom being slowish, I think there is some basis for dissatisfaction here. Of course, nobody is obligated to use Atom.

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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I've used ST in the past, but due to slow release cycle, I switched to Vim. What really bugs me in ST is the fact that the guy doesn't have time to work, but still, it's not open source for the community to work together to achieve a decent release cycle.

> due to slow release cycle, I switched to

I've read this argument multiple times and I just don't get it. Is it because you were waiting for a feature that hasn't been implemented? What's a decent release cycle? How does a indecent release cycle affect your daily usage of the text editor?

Re: Sublime Text 3 builds picking up steam again

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The plugin system dies for me regularly. I wish I didn't have to quit ST3 to fix that.

That sounds like a bum package, or a corrupted install. If you are using Package Control you can copy the Packages/User/ folder to a fresh install and install Package Control to try fixing it. PC will do a fresh reinstall of missing packages.

I'd venture to guess that the grandparent poster is on Windows. On Windows, after resuming from sleeping, it's known that sometimes the plugin_host.exe will crash.
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