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Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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The US digital Service should also make and maintain a framework that state and local governments can implement. Paying a parking ticket in Los Angeles is a trip to the 90's.

Try applying for a hiking permit. Some CA ranger stations take only snail mail or, wait for it, fax.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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I wish there were something like this akin to the National Guard. If I could serve a weekend a month (or maybe even more, if it were something closer to my civilian skill set), I probably would have opted for this over joining the Army.

Hell, if they did that, I'd probably serve after my time in the Guard is up.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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Two things I wonder about: 1) Is an outfit like the U.S. Digital Service considering people who don't have undergraduate degrees, but have a consistent track record or are a part of established teams? 2) Is the salary roughly comparable with what's available in the private sector? I understand that the government might pay less in return for some of the perks of government work, but how close are they coming these da…

In regards to 1, I'd be genuinely surprised if they were. The federal government has a dramatically horrific hiring process, in general. Perhaps it is different for this effort in particular, but for reference, I used to work as a contractor for the ATF. The ATF had decided to terminate the contract of my employer, which meant that the contract would be recompeted.

While the ATF didn't like my company, they liked a few of the people, and tried to get us on a government employees, either because we were good, or because they thought it would ease the transition.

Some of the higher-ups approached me, asked for my resume, and then tailored a job posting from my resume so that they could hire me to keep doing the job I'd been doing for years.

After applying though, I was unable to make it past the first level of H.R., who decided that I was unqualified for the job... possibly due to lack of a degree, though no degree was required by the posting, again, as it had been created from my resume.

The higher-up attempted to work it through, but I gave up before they did and took another position. I told them that if they got it through, to call me, and I'd be happy to consider it, and received a call a full 18 months later, at which point I'd moved on in both body and spirit.

To your point 2, again, I'd be shocked if they were comparable. Private contracting pays generously, but government employees are pay-banded in a rather rigid system. One can eventually make established-startup wages, but rarely without direct reports, as the pay bands demand it.

As well, with sequestration and a less and less elastic federal budget, the government benefits are rapidly dwindling. I live and work in the DC area, and job-hopping is still the preferred way to get a raise, though of course government jobs have the strong benefit of being nearly impossible to be fired from.

Pay freezes, cut conference budgets and crappy equipment have been the norm for the past decade or so, and with continuing resolution, even unpaid furloughs have become more and more common.

Again, I don't have any particular insight to the US Digital Service, but a LOT of experience with government work and contracting, and it's definitely not the panacea it once was, for better or worse.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#54

I'd imagine that this is a hard sell given the govts track record. They want to recruit us, but they still don't get it. Why would we want to work for the bad guys? Why would we want to be second class citizens to clueless politicians that dictate directives from above instead of working in an industry that respects us and views us as leaders?

>>instead of working in an industry that respects us and views us as leaders?

What industry is that? Because in the tech industry I work in, the clueless politicians you speak of are replaced by clueless business-people who are equally obsessed with playing politics. Sure, there are a few "enlightened" companies that empower their technical staff, but those are a small minority.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#55

Let's say it's January 2017 and President Bush or Rubio or Paul or Walker is being inaugurated. Does the 'U.S. Digital Service' actually keep getting funded? If it does, do the staff actually want to stay? Will any of them be willing to work on government objectives that might not be in line with their personal politics? I'll believe this is actually what it claims it is when I see it and its staff persist through a…

Remember that there are many engineers who would love to work for a Republican administration and would hate working on Obama administration objectives that aren't in line with their personal politics

True, but as we all know, continuity has inherent value that we would lose under say, a drastic replacement of staff.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#56
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I have met some of the 18F folks here in San Francisco, and I have gradually become convinced that there is a lot of substance to this effort. People, apparently including people at the highest levels, recognize that information technology has made enormous leaps in the private sector, and they are serious about helping government catch up. One of the most interesting bits to me was something said by Todd Park, a for…

That's just the thing - I don't think 'playing it safe' is the goal in Washington, or at least not the only one. As is, the goal for contractors is to stay on a project as long as possible, earning more money over a longer period of time. Waterfall is a perfect excuse to do just that.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#57

I wish there were something like this akin to the National Guard. If I could serve a weekend a month (or maybe even more, if it were something closer to my civilian skill set), I probably would have opted for this over joining the Army. Hell, if they did that, I'd probably serve after my time in the Guard is up.

Well, there is Code for America. That's a volunteer organization not actually within the government, so it's not a terribly close analogy, but it's still one means of digital civic service that stops short of full-time.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#59
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lessig said this once: Code is Law. http://harvardmagazine.com/2000/01/code-is-law-html See also: http://codev2.cc Granted, he was talking about how the private sector can fill in where government doesn't go. Yet even on the inside there are choices to be made and influence to be exerted.

someone should let a few of the thousands of developers who cooperated in building the surveillance state know about that i suppose

Someone should. Which is why I commented.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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post #51

The US digital Service should also make and maintain a framework that state and local governments can implement. Paying a parking ticket in Los Angeles is a trip to the 90's.

Try applying for a hiking permit. Some CA ranger stations take only snail mail or, wait for it, fax.

well, they do tend to be in the boonies lots of times
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