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Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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For curiosities sake, I decided to take a look at healthcare.gov, put in a random ZIP code picked from New York in google maps. When I tried to look at individual cover I got an ACCESS DENIED. Is it restricted to US IPs? Seems like an odd thing to lock down.

http://nystateofhealth.ny.gov/individual

[edit] I got to that link from this working site: http://healthbenefitexchange.ny.gov/ which I got to from Healthcare.gov

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#22
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? "You can do a hell of a lot more damage in the system than out of it." - "Stevo", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi2y9-Mxq-0 But seriously, government is what we make of it. We can sit here as sheep and accept the way that we're governed or we can take the leap and try to change it by joining it. I can't promise that it will ever get better if you sign up to help but I can promise that it won't if you don't.

engineers don't set policy

Lessig said this once: Code is Law.

http://harvardmagazine.com/2000/01/code-is-law-html

See also: http://codev2.cc

Granted, he was talking about how the private sector can fill in where government doesn't go. Yet even on the inside there are choices to be made and influence to be exerted.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? "You can do a hell of a lot more damage in the system than out of it." - "Stevo", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi2y9-Mxq-0 But seriously, government is what we make of it. We can sit here as sheep and accept the way that we're governed or we can take the leap and try to change it by joining it. I can't promise that it will ever get better if you sign up to help but I can promise that it won't if you don't.

engineers don't set policy

No, they don't set policy. But they inform it.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#25

I'd imagine that this is a hard sell given the govts track record. They want to recruit us, but they still don't get it. Why would we want to work for the bad guys? Why would we want to be second class citizens to clueless politicians that dictate directives from above instead of working in an industry that respects us and views us as leaders?

Bad guys? What a myopic view of the world. Having seen first hand both industry and government IT, both worlds have their faults.

I'm not going to get sucked into a debate about which is worse, but I'll give you my perspective on working with federal gov't IT. Yes, policy sucks, thats not going to change any time soon but it is moving towards something halfway decent. There are plenty of skilled, intelligent and motivated IT professionals who you would actually be working for. You don't do the bidding of every politician out there, but you do follow directives from offices higher up such as the white house. Btw, the respect these people proffer to devs is immense because they know you could have worked anywhere else and make more money but you decided to work for a cause they believe in as well.

So please be considerate when you make these sweeping assumptions about the govt.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#26
post #16

While I've been initially skeptical of the White House's digital efforts because of my assumption that tech development, especially when it comes to public information, will always be handicapped by bureaucracy and politics...the 18F group has been doing some great work, the kind that is not at all a bad standard for private startups to follow...certainly much better than the kind of things that were rolling out in 2…

https://www.federalregister.gov is a favorite of mine in the federal government, and an inspiration (they launched with a full JSON REST API in 2010!) -- but just so it's clear, that's not an 18F project.

The code for federalregister.gov can be found here: https://github.com/usnationalarchives/fr2

(Disclosure: I work for 18F.)

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#27
Let's say it's January 2017 and President Bush or Rubio or Paul or Walker is being inaugurated. Does the 'U.S. Digital Service' actually keep getting funded? If it does, do the staff actually want to stay? Will any of them be willing to work on government objectives that might not be in line with their personal politics?

I'll believe this is actually what it claims it is when I see it and its staff persist through a change of political control in the White House. Until then, I'm more than a little skeptical.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#28
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? "You can do a hell of a lot more damage in the system than out of it." - "Stevo", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi2y9-Mxq-0 But seriously, government is what we make of it. We can sit here as sheep and accept the way that we're governed or we can take the leap and try to change it by joining it. I can't promise that it will ever get better if you sign up to help but I can promise that it won't if you don't.

engineers don't set policy

Thats actually incorrect, while we don't set policy up on high, the results of our work and projects we initiate push policymakers to set those policies. JackFr is right, engineers inform and that holds a lot of weight beyond what you might think.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#29

It would be really great to fix the IRS's digital presence. Make TurboTax obsolete. I hate TurboTax.

Same goes for the DMV, as well as countless other citizen-facing government orgs. Math & administration is really the roots of computing. Edit: I'm rather unclear what is objectionable here.

Yes! There are so many DMV things I'd like to do online.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#30

It would be really great to fix the IRS's digital presence. Make TurboTax obsolete. I hate TurboTax.

You'll hate them even more: They're one reason why taxes are more complicated than they should/could be.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/04/auto...

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