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Re: A complete rewrite of wiki as a single page application

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This is based on the Smallest Federated Wiki Ward Cunningham has been working on since 2011. I think it's great that they're moving to new architecture, and the SFW looks great. The interface is still pretty arcane, though.

That sounds interesting. Do you have any more details on this architecture? c2.com seems to be overloaded at the moment.

Re: A complete rewrite of wiki as a single page application

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I believe the wiki is among the most amazing things to come out of the web (and think Cunningham is a genius for inventing it, or discovering it, or whatever process made it happen), and I can't count the number of times I've lost an hour or two spelunking into the C2 wiki.

But, I'm having a hard time making sense of this UI. The panels popping up seemingly infinitely into the right side of the screen (every click makes a new panel) is unfamiliar and doesn't seem to provide a compelling value over giving the content a valuable piece of center page real estate. It feels like it is too proud of its cleverness, and that detracts from its value.

And, some other nitpicks: The "fork this page" feature uses a flag icon...which means "flag this" to any one who has ever seen a flag. The flashing icons at the bottom of every page, representing every edit throughout history, is hella distracting, and again makes the content play second fiddle to something else going on. There is no way to discover this thing in anything resembling an ordered fashion. Most of the links on the "front" page (I guess?) are dead ends, recent changes provides pages that have content but provide a haphazard approach to understanding what I'm looking at. The neat thing about a wiki is historically that you start in one place, and can follow links back and forth until you grasp your subject. In this case, the links seem to have taken a backseat to the other stuff (which is made up of flashing things, poorly chosen icons, and weird gradient squares that seem to exist for no reason), leaving me hanging here with no idea what this thing is for and how it works.

It pains me to say it, as c2 is wonderful (a little dated and simplistic, sure, but the world's first of anything doesn't need to be beautiful). Maybe it'll come to make more sense with time and further contribution from people who know what it is and why it is.

Re: A complete rewrite of wiki as a single page application

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Best wishes on the switch, but I'm afraid that the leap being taken is too big. Suddenly we go from bare HTML served by cgi to a single-page, style-rich and interaction-rich JavaScript application.

That said, I actually like the new website, except for the bottom bar. When i scroll quickly on iPad it doesn't always stay at the bottom, and it is especially ugly when there is one page being viewed. I'm sure there will be people with way stronger opinion on the radical UI change.

Re: A complete rewrite of wiki as a single page application

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The wiki I know for telling me all the new cool stuff is junk switches to a SPA? That's ironic.

But seriously, in my eyes, a wiki is excatly what a SPA should not be used for, because of its document based nature. Trying to fix an overload problem with an SPA tackles the problem from the wrong side imho.

Re: A complete rewrite of wiki as a single page application

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post #3
post #2

This is based on the Smallest Federated Wiki Ward Cunningham has been working on since 2011. I think it's great that they're moving to new architecture, and the SFW looks great. The interface is still pretty arcane, though.

That sounds interesting. Do you have any more details on this architecture? c2.com seems to be overloaded at the moment.

Github: https://github.com/fedwiki

Lots of Youtube videos: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=federated+wiki

Re: A complete rewrite of wiki as a single page application

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I believe the wiki is among the most amazing things to come out of the web (and think Cunningham is a genius for inventing it, or discovering it, or whatever process made it happen), and I can't count the number of times I've lost an hour or two spelunking into the C2 wiki. But, I'm having a hard time making sense of this UI. The panels popping up seemingly infinitely into the right side of the screen (every click ma…

I'm both sad and enjoyed by the move. I'm attached to the deceiptively poor old wiki, because it contrasts with the great content quality. At the same time, they're migrating toward something off the map of current technologies, and so the spirit of the first wikiwikiweb is still alive.

ps: if someone has an archive / mirror of c2.com, I'll be happy to leech.

Re: A complete rewrite of wiki as a single page application

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post #3
post #2

This is based on the Smallest Federated Wiki Ward Cunningham has been working on since 2011. I think it's great that they're moving to new architecture, and the SFW looks great. The interface is still pretty arcane, though.

That sounds interesting. Do you have any more details on this architecture? c2.com seems to be overloaded at the moment.

This is the (admittedly somewhat long) transcription of a talk I use to introduce people to the idea: http://hapgood.us/2014/11/06/federated-education-new-directi...

The elevator pitch for tech-minded people is that wikis are to SVN as federated wikis are to git. Instead of a shared wiki that people modify, each user has their own wiki which consists of both pages they've made or forked, so information propagates back and forth between users. It's a really compelling idea and I hope they can make it work.

Re: A complete rewrite of wiki as a single page application

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I believe the wiki is among the most amazing things to come out of the web (and think Cunningham is a genius for inventing it, or discovering it, or whatever process made it happen), and I can't count the number of times I've lost an hour or two spelunking into the C2 wiki. But, I'm having a hard time making sense of this UI. The panels popping up seemingly infinitely into the right side of the screen (every click ma…

I'm both sad and enjoyed by the move. I'm attached to the deceiptively poor old wiki, because it contrasts with the great content quality. At the same time, they're migrating toward something off the map of current technologies, and so the spirit of the first wikiwikiweb is still alive. ps: if someone has an archive / mirror of c2.com, I'll be happy to leech.

"deceiptively poor old wiki, because it contrasts with the great content quality"

Does that remind anyone else of HN? I sort of rather like the lack of features on HN in the same way that I like c2.com.

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