ARMv6 still? I don't see how that's necessary to save on the BOM. I hope legacy code was not the deciding factor here.
Is that really important for most buyers though?
It could be. ARMv7 means Android may finally get ported to the Pi.
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Re: Turbocharged Raspberry Pi 2 unleashed
#52Am I weird for wanting to use this for really simple web hosting?
Nope. The Pi makes a lot of sense for a simple web server with a robust SQL/NOSQL database backend running with Node/Go. If you have a good internet connection with a good upload speed, you can easily run a server able to take a couple of hundred hits a minute. It is certainly a better option than using the cloud for prototyping, where a wrong for loop can instantiate loads of instances and bill you a hell lot.
The Pi does not make sense for any level of consumer-targeted production (dev, stage or live) beyond "oh hey, it works." "A couple of hundred hits a minute" is also not impressive in the least, even for something of the Pi's stature.
I also don't think the stack would matter all that much at this point - IO blocking would be happening at the application level, not the architectural. Node, Go, Ruby, Python, PHP ... it really wouldn't matter. SQL versus NoSQL is also a non-issue in this case.
I also wouldn't take something very underpowered instead of the cloud just because I hadn't configured my cloud host to keep things within reason (ie no autoscaling at all, which is what you'd expect for hobby-level prototyping.
tldr; don't eschew better options for the Pi unless you don't understand how your cloud host works.
Re: Turbocharged Raspberry Pi 2 unleashed
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're not, but it's been common practice in their industry for decades, and it's generally seen as beneficial to OEMs and users to have access to datasheets before purchase. This is why it's also commonplace for most chip manufacturers to offer free samples, even of chips upwards of $20 list price. Most of them even publish enough information to develop hardware and software to interact with these chips even withou…
Ok. I find it rather rude to call a company 'assholes' for doing something that is 100% within their rights. They're releasing a chip that powers a relatively cheap fairly powerful computer, have supported the effort in as many ways as they could without giving up their competitive edge (when you're in a leadship position it is sometimes quite risky to open up too far), nobody forces anybody to buy the product and la…
You are 100% within your rights to not tip at restaurants in the US and yet I believe most people would consider you an asshole. If someone does something that benefits themselves at the expense of others when it's socially assumed to act in another way, many would call a person an 'asshole'. Seems like a similar situation if it is normal practice in the industry.
Re: Turbocharged Raspberry Pi 2 unleashed
#54Finally more power for graphics. I am seeing some interesting VR projects with the more horsepower, especially since VR is THE thing right now. And the pi is light enough for head-mounting!
I'd love to see this happen. But i think that's very wishful thinking, outside of some very simple scenes - my R9 270 struggles to maintain framerate with some DK2 demos and the pi's VC4 isn't remotely in the same league.
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#55Am I weird for wanting to use this for really simple web hosting?
Not particularly - there are several datacenters that offer raspberry pi servers as a commercial offering.
I can't remember the name of the one near me (had a slick photo of black and green pi cases on their dc floor), but a little googling found this one: http://raspberrycolocation.com/
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Broadcom is still Broadcom.
It doesn't look like BCM is intending to release any more datasheets/programming information either, which is not surprising. There will probably never be any detailed information released, officially or otherwise, on any BCM SoCs, even after they're long EOL'd. As far as openness is concerned the RPi is basically a smartphone/tablet SoC devboard, with most of the hardware proprietary - while its Chinese competitors…
Or this:
http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code...
Quad core, 1 GB. Released just 2 months ago. Same price as the Pi.
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#57Wonder if they fixed USB problems (dma/internal bus bottlenecking or something). Info about quad core CPU is a bit sketchy, either its one of Cortex cores, or BCM tweaked ARM11/bumped L1 cache to max 64KB value and/or added proper L2 cache. So many unknowns. Edit: Milhouse, Team-Kodi Member: "ARMv7 and NEON instructions" http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=217040&pid=1911780#p... . WOOOHOOO now we are cooking, Br…
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Re: Turbocharged Raspberry Pi 2 unleashed
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're not, but it's been common practice in their industry for decades, and it's generally seen as beneficial to OEMs and users to have access to datasheets before purchase. This is why it's also commonplace for most chip manufacturers to offer free samples, even of chips upwards of $20 list price. Most of them even publish enough information to develop hardware and software to interact with these chips even withou…
Ok. I find it rather rude to call a company 'assholes' for doing something that is 100% within their rights. They're releasing a chip that powers a relatively cheap fairly powerful computer, have supported the effort in as many ways as they could without giving up their competitive edge (when you're in a leadship position it is sometimes quite risky to open up too far), nobody forces anybody to buy the product and la…
I think aswanson is simply expressing his feelings. Broadcom has garnered goodwill from being involved with the Raspberry Pi foundation. Goodwill, I must add, from a broad swath of people who are not too technically inclined. Yes, the computer (or device if you're lacking generosity) is a god-send for those without the capacity to buy an Intel/AMD-based PC, but let's not kid ourselves: the device is less open than a PC was even 20 years ago. Which begs the question, in what capacity is the foundation moving computing forward? That's where I lose goodwill even for the foundation. Sure, they did something special, that really made compute affordable. But that was years ago. Now they need to make it open, so anyone, not just students, can answer probing questions about how the device works, and in so doing be able to make a Raspberry Pi device, or something totally different, for a whole new generation.
All this said, if you want cheap and software open, go with the Odroid C1 (China really is the future, and in this case a Korean firm is acting as the intermediary to Chinese silicon.) And if you want fully open, TI's Beaglebone. Good, solid, open, American.
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#59ARMv6 still? I don't see how that's necessary to save on the BOM. I hope legacy code was not the deciding factor here.
According to [1], these will be ARMv7 architecture Cortex-A7 cores. Looks like we'll know for sure only when the foundation announces a public release. [1]: http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/02/raspberry-pi-2-model-...
A7 is also confirmed by one of XBMC devs
http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=217040&pid=1911780#p...
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are they required to release those datasheets?
They're not required, but (thankfully) we're not required to use hardware from vendors that don't do that.
There might come a point where essentially nothing on the market is open anyway, however. Meaning we are required.