It was founded by economists, and their blog has a lot of interesting discussion and analysis of the idea: http://blog.givewell.org/category/givedirectly/
One way to approach this idea: Why not do it this way?
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It was founded by economists, and their blog has a lot of interesting discussion and analysis of the idea: http://blog.givewell.org/category/givedirectly/
One way to approach this idea: Why not do it this way?
In part, I love this idea. However, as someone who struggles with debt, I've worked to the point of causing serious health issues just to keep my head above water, so if Canada were to do this, I'd be more than ticked. The slacker next to me gets a clean slate, and I get an early grave.
In part, I love this idea. However, as someone who struggles with debt, I've worked to the point of causing serious health issues just to keep my head above water, so if Canada were to do this, I'd be more than ticked. The slacker next to me gets a clean slate, and I get an early grave.
Think of the slacker next to you as having an independent relationship with the state and so do you. I never understood why some people would happily drag down someone else, that's jealousy in disguise. Simply see this as a plus for society because that debt drags everybody down, including you. I wouldn't sleep any worse if all the debt for people earning minimum wage or nothing at all were forgiven, that's a much be…
Behind the executioner came, in the order in which they were to die, first Peppino and then Andrea. Each was accompanied by two priests. Neither had his eyes bandaged. Peppino walked with a firm step, doubtless aware of what awaited him. Andrea was supported by two priests. Each of them, from time to time, kissed the crucifix a confessor held out to them. At this sight alone Franz felt his legs tremble under him. He looked at Albert — he was as white as his shirt, and mechanically cast away his cigar, although he had not half smoked it.
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"I thought," said Franz to the count, "that you told me there would be but one execution."
"I told you true," replied he coldly.
"And yet here are two culprits."
"Yes; but only one of these two is about to die; the other has many years to live."
"If the pardon is to come, there is no time to lose."
"And see, here it is," said the count. At the moment when Peppino reached the foot of the mandaïa, a priest arrived in some haste, forced his way through the soldiers, and, advancing to the chief of the brotherhood, gave him a folded paper. The piercing eye of Peppino had noticed all. The chief took the paper, unfolded it, and, raising his hand, "Heaven be praised, and his holiness also," said he in a loud voice; "here is a pardon for one of the prisoners!"
"A pardon!" cried the people with one voice — "a pardon!" At this cry Andrea raised his head. "Pardon for whom?" cried he.
Peppino remained breathless. "A pardon for Peppino, called Rocca Priori," said the principal friar. And he passed the paper to the officer commanding the carbineers, who read and returned it to him.
"For Peppino!" cried Andrea, who seemed roused from the torpor in which he had been plunged. "Why for him and not for me? We ought to die together. I was promised he should die with me. You have no right to put me to death alone. I will not die alone — I will not!" And he broke from the priests struggling and raving like a wild beast, and striving desperately to break the cords that bound his hands. The executioner made a sign, and his two assistants leaped from the scaffold and seized him.
"What is going on?" asked Franz of the count; for, as all the talk was in the Roman dialect, he had not perfectly understood it. "Do you not see?" returned the count, "that this human creature who is about to die is furious that his fellow-sufferer does not perish with him? and, were he able, he would rather tear him to pieces with his teeth and nails than let him enjoy the life he himself is about to be deprived of. Oh, man, man — race of crocodiles," cried the count, extending his clinched hands towards the crowd, "how well do I recognize you there, and that at all times you are worthy of yourselves!" Meanwhile Andrea and the two executioners were struggling on the ground, and he kept exclaiming, "He ought to die! — he shall die! — I will not die alone!"
"Look, look," cried the count, seizing the young men's hands — "look, for on my soul it is curious. Here is a man who had resigned himself to his fate, who was going to the scaffold to die — like a coward, it is true, but he was about to die without resistance. Do you know what gave him strength? — do you know what consoled him? It was, that another partook of his punishment — that another partook of his anguish — that another was to die before him. Lead two sheep to the butcher's, two oxen to the slaughterhouse, and make one of them understand that his companion will not die; the sheep will bleat for pleasure, the ox will bellow with joy. But man — man, whom God created in his own image — man, upon whom God has laid his first, his sole commandment, to love his neighbor — man, to whom God has given a voice to express his thoughts — what is his first cry when he hears his fellow-man is saved? A blasphemy. Honor to man, this masterpiece of nature, this king of the creation!" And the count burst into a laugh; a terrible laugh, that showed he must have suffered horribly to be able thus to laugh.
However, the struggle still continued, and it was dreadful to witness. The people all took part against Andrea, and twenty thousand voices cried, "Put him to death! put him to death!" Franz sprang back, but the count seized his arm, and held him before the window. "What are you doing?" said he. "Do you pity him? If you heard the cry of 'Mad dog!' you would take your gun — you would unhesitatingly shoot the poor beast, who, after all, was only guilty of having been bitten by another dog. And yet you pity a man who, without being bitten by one of his race, has yet murdered his benefactor; and who, now unable to kill any one, because his hands are bound, wishes to see his companion in captivity perish. No, no — look, look!"
I think the scene speaks for itself and reuires no further comment.
This is an interesting concept and a really old one to boot. Planet Money recently did a great podcast covering a similar measure (although it was specifically for mortgages) in Iceland: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/12/05/368723679/episode-... Interestingly, Saudi Arabia also did something similar (alongside many other measures) to boost public support for the new king: http://www.arabnews.com/news/696661
The article says the government "convinced" banks and other companies to cancel the debts, but the lenders will not be compensated. It's left as an exercise to imagine how the lenders were convinced. I can see the benefits of getting a large number of people out of what must be a terrible situation - the numbers suggest most of the people affected probably didn't have enough income to even service their debt. But I w…
Well, there's this crazy concept called "saving money" where you don't borrow from a bank but rather put some money aside every month to be able to afford something expensive
I wonder what would happen to property prices if lending was severely restricted, maybe then the value would actually be affordable and not a lifelong debt that becomes unserviceable in the first hiccup
In part, I love this idea. However, as someone who struggles with debt, I've worked to the point of causing serious health issues just to keep my head above water, so if Canada were to do this, I'd be more than ticked. The slacker next to me gets a clean slate, and I get an early grave.
This is an interesting concept and a really old one to boot. Planet Money recently did a great podcast covering a similar measure (although it was specifically for mortgages) in Iceland: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/12/05/368723679/episode-... Interestingly, Saudi Arabia also did something similar (alongside many other measures) to boost public support for the new king: http://www.arabnews.com/news/696661
I'm reading Graeber's Debt, the first 5000 years which explains how this practice is as old as debt itself. It already existed in ancient Mesopotamia. I highly recommend this book to anyone interested in the topic. It also shows how debt is deeply linked to slavery, women slavery in particular, through the phenomenon of debt peonage.
Totally random aside: does it talk about the evolution of debtor's prisons after slavery was no longer an option? I always wondered why people thought it made sense to lock someone up with no economic recourse to pay down a debt. There were probably much better options to deal with the potential moral hazard.
In part, I love this idea. However, as someone who struggles with debt, I've worked to the point of causing serious health issues just to keep my head above water, so if Canada were to do this, I'd be more than ticked. The slacker next to me gets a clean slate, and I get an early grave.
I totally understand your sentiment, but to me this reflects one of the biggest scams that has ever been pulled on the "average guy" - the notion that debt has moral weight. I was taught by my parents, and by the books I read and TV shows I watched, that "paying your debts" made you a good person. If you don't pay your debts you're slacking. We've all heard the parables of the great person who went broke, but managed…
This isn't to say that that state of the world is worse. It might be better! Certainly we shouldn't discount the burden it places on people to feel guilty over their debts. That's real cost to them and to society generally. But if the social norms around debt changed, they wouldn't change in a vacuum. Probably rates would go up and that's a real cost as well.
In part, I love this idea. However, as someone who struggles with debt, I've worked to the point of causing serious health issues just to keep my head above water, so if Canada were to do this, I'd be more than ticked. The slacker next to me gets a clean slate, and I get an early grave.
I totally understand your sentiment, but to me this reflects one of the biggest scams that has ever been pulled on the "average guy" - the notion that debt has moral weight. I was taught by my parents, and by the books I read and TV shows I watched, that "paying your debts" made you a good person. If you don't pay your debts you're slacking. We've all heard the parables of the great person who went broke, but managed…
Of course you want to pick priorities in what to pay and what to not pay when in difficulty.
And negotiation/consolidation is an alternative
Just keep in mind your credit score will go down the drain, and yeah, maybe you can't get another credit card to hang yourself with, which might be a good thing