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Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies

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Re: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies

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Here's an interesting question. How do sanctions apply to Multi-national companies? Is there a "home country" designation or some such thing? Google has offices in Many countries.

I guess I'm asking, what makes them a "US" company vs. a US/HK/GB Company?

Re: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies

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Yeah that sounds incredibly frustrating and unfair from a personal perspective. I wonder though if Google is legally compelled to do this by the US government or if they've voluntarily agreed to block these sites with the purpose of avoiding any questioning? I think the question (I am not a lawyer) revolves around exporting of goods/technologies. It feels wrong to me to consider a website `resident` anywhere and thus…

Sanctions are an interesting thing because I think a lot of people doing business on the web don't know to what extent they are responsible to follow them.

When I worked in internet infrastructure, we actively monitored and blocked sanctioned countries from using the service. I don't think a lot of companies do, e.g. AFAIK Amazon for AWS is supposed to. (I may be wrong and I'd love if someone with more knowledge would share.)

Re: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies

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the Internet and technology should be above politics. - I am not sure about this, sometimes politics threatens the Internet itself. Putin clearly considers the Internet to be "a CIA project" and Russia is heading to its own walled network where you won't need Google technology anyway. Haven't Github and Youtube been blocked in Russia already? Even more, don't be surprised if one day you are arrested for mere fact of…

I wrote "should be", of course now it is not.

Yes, youtube and github were blocked for some hours, maybe 1 day, because of strange decisions of some strange people. But it was fixed. Now, I am blocked from another side of the world, and it seems - for a long time. I don't know what will happen tomorrow - everything is possible, but my message was not about this. It's about tools, that are looks like an open, or free - but at any moment they can become inaccessible.

Re: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies

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post #21

Here's an interesting question. How do sanctions apply to Multi-national companies? Is there a "home country" designation or some such thing? Google has offices in Many countries. I guess I'm asking, what makes them a "US" company vs. a US/HK/GB Company?

I could be wrong, but I think there isn't really such thing as "international company" in terms of law. Even if they have multiple offices or factories in many countries, each entity is registered as independent company in these countries. The whole administration and management is internal, inside the organization.

Re: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies

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I think you meant "free" by "open". In that case, just remember that "if something is free you are the product".

Apart that the "you're the product" is a fallacy, golang, AOSP, etc are not only free, they are open source

how that's a fallacy? Google's cash cow is its ad platform.

Re: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies

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Google is not OPEN technology. Tor is.

Sorry, maybe I am wrong with the terminology. But, the title on the Golang home page is "Go is an open source programming language that makes it easy to build simple, reliable, and efficient software." And on the https://code.google.com/ I see "Project Hosting on Google Code provides a free collaborative development environment for open source projects.".

Open source means that the source is available and you are free to change it. It does not necessarily have any other political or social implications. "Open" and "free" don't mean somehow "universal" or have anything to do with the limitations of criminal law not related to copyright.

I'm sorry you're in a bad situation, but the reality is that technologies grant power, and some nations don't want their citizens empowered, while other nations don't want their power through technology used by enemy nations against them. In order to have some rule that governments can't do that, you would require a higher, metagovernment, which would then have the same sort of power and require the same oversight, requiring and even higher metagovernment, and so on. Hence why government is always a scam...it promises safety and justice the way the mob does, through violence and threats.

Re: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMHO sanctions are never better than anything and are unfair by definition. You can compare them to antibiotic - destroying both good ones and bad ones. But antibiotics are better than most other options. That's why we use them. > Majority of people do not want any sanctions, no matter what side they are on. It's the government and politicians that want it, not the people. The people do not want war. Sanctions are…

People are free to do with their own bodies whatever they think is best. But in Crimea people are being punished because Obama or some other idiot thinks it's good to do so. I don't think it's fair that a group of corrupted politicians get to decide the fate of a nation literally on the other side of the planet. Also preventing someone from accessing a public information or from doing business is already a form of vi…

> preventing someone from accessing a public information or from doing business is already a form of violence :(

I don't think many people would agree with that statement.

Re: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies

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We've been suffering this for ages in Iran. But in retrospect, it has been a blessing more than a curse. For example, until a year ago, Android Market and later Play Store were unavailable in Iran. Even now, many (most?) popular apps are unavailable for Iranians, e.g Facebook, Messenger, etc. This has given rise to a series of new start-ups, aiming to fill the void left by major multinational corporations. Right now more than 90% of the smartphones in Iran are android-based and most people have Cafe Bazaar (Play Store alternative) installed on their phones. The same thing with Amazon and Digikala.

It's not as good for the consumers, but it has made it a very good time to be an entrepreneur in Iran. I wonder if it was not for all the sanctions and censorship, would we have what we have now.

But as I said it on HN elsewhere[1], please stop using App Engine for your projects. Simplenote, Udacity, etc. have been inaccessible to Iranians not because they chose to, but because they use Google as their hosting platform.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7142783

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