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Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by tluyben2 »

Filligree wrote: post #3
jagermo wrote: post #2

Good points and well written (not the usual troll rant). However what I dread most are the vendors and their crapware bundeling programs. Uch.

However, here's the thing: Windows are useful . An UI which pretends you shouldn't use them isn't good for anything complicated, when you use more than one application at a time. Hierarchical start menus are also useful, for that matter.

Tiles are useful. Using a tiling window manager or splitting Metro or vim with splits or emacs with splits you see what's useful. Windows is not imho; tiling very much is. Tiling with virtual desktops.

Edit: To me Metro tablet size without desktop or iOS with tiling would be the best.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by ubercow13 »

wvenable wrote: post #19
zamalek wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, it wasn't. It isn't. Disclaimer: Emphasis on SUBJECTIVE before you indicate my opinion is wrong because you have a different opinion. That's pretty-much what subjective means. I thought HN was smarter than this. Agreed, it's subjective. This is change aversion, not loss aversion. Humans don't like change, even if it is good for them. People don't like Windows 8 UI because it was a change, and they don't like th…

> People don't like Windows 8 UI because it was a change, and they don't like that they are changing it back. No, people don't like the Windows 8 UI because it's terrible on the desktop. Comparatively, the classic Windows UI is terrible on touch-screen devices. Even combining both interfaces on one OS isn't terrible. But in Windows 8 they both bleed into each other in a way that is not good. Windows 10 combines them…

I only use W8 on the desktop, but how does Metro bleed into the desktop experience? The only part of it I ever see is the start screen, which is great

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by daigoba66 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #14
Filligree wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, here's the thing: Windows are useful . An UI which pretends you shouldn't use them isn't good for anything complicated, when you use more than one application at a time. Hierarchical start menus are also useful, for that matter.

> However, here's the thing: Windows are useful. I'm increasingly convinced that overlapping Windows are not particularly useful (they are better than one-thing-maximized-is-the-only-option), but tiled windows are very useful.

That's a really interesting observation. Coincidentally, if you look at pre-Win3.1 it only supported tiled windows. Tiling support has always been there since, but largely ignored until Win7 gave us Aero Snap (which I love btw). I know Win10 is suppose to further improve on this feature.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by saralily »

misuba wrote: post #28

Does 1Password not have a keyboard app for iOS 8? Keyboard apps in general are a pretty good way to get a lot of what people want from multi-window views on touch devices.

No. Requires either a password to unlock the keychain or TouchID input. What the article completely misses is that there is window management in iOS. 5-finger pinch and all that. Not to mention the fact that a lot of iOS apps already have 1P integration so you don't have to leave the app.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by wvenable »

ubercow13 wrote: post #32
wvenable wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People don't like Windows 8 UI because it was a change, and they don't like that they are changing it back. No, people don't like the Windows 8 UI because it's terrible on the desktop. Comparatively, the classic Windows UI is terrible on touch-screen devices. Even combining both interfaces on one OS isn't terrible. But in Windows 8 they both bleed into each other in a way that is not good. Windows 10 combines them…

I only use W8 on the desktop, but how does Metro bleed into the desktop experience? The only part of it I ever see is the start screen, which is great

The charms bar, hot corners, the Wifi setup panel, the login screen, the start screen, the associated app selector, the metro apps with associations to common file types, etc. I've personally turned off most of it and replaced the start menu with ClassicShell but it took a while. It's a pretty nice OS if you can completely hide metro.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by shadesandcolour »

misuba wrote: post #28

Does 1Password not have a keyboard app for iOS 8? Keyboard apps in general are a pretty good way to get a lot of what people want from multi-window views on touch devices.

No they have an extension instead that people have been building into their apps that give one tap access to 1Password on the login screen. I suspect they stayed away from building a keyboard because it's a lot harder to get right, and to risk building a not-so-great keyboard to add one button didn't seem worth it.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by ubercow13 »

wvenable wrote: post #36
ubercow13 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only use W8 on the desktop, but how does Metro bleed into the desktop experience? The only part of it I ever see is the start screen, which is great

The charms bar, hot corners, the Wifi setup panel, the login screen, the start screen, the associated app selector, the metro apps with associations to common file types, etc. I've personally turned off most of it and replaced the start menu with ClassicShell but it took a while. It's a pretty nice OS if you can completely hide metro.

Ah you're right I forgot about the metro app association dialog, that is really jarring

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by isnotchicago »

zamalek wrote: post #15
darklajid wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows 8 on the desktop was objectively terrible. No, it wasn't. It isn't. (I liked the improvements in 8.1 but that blanket statement from you is false)

> No, it wasn't. It isn't. Disclaimer: Emphasis on SUBJECTIVE before you indicate my opinion is wrong because you have a different opinion. That's pretty-much what subjective means. I thought HN was smarter than this. Agreed, it's subjective. This is change aversion, not loss aversion. Humans don't like change, even if it is good for them. People don't like Windows 8 UI because it was a change, and they don't like th…

There is a lot more to good design than big click targets. Even infinitely large targets are useless if the user does not know where they are.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by zamalek »

wvenable wrote: post #19
zamalek wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, it wasn't. It isn't. Disclaimer: Emphasis on SUBJECTIVE before you indicate my opinion is wrong because you have a different opinion. That's pretty-much what subjective means. I thought HN was smarter than this. Agreed, it's subjective. This is change aversion, not loss aversion. Humans don't like change, even if it is good for them. People don't like Windows 8 UI because it was a change, and they don't like th…

> People don't like Windows 8 UI because it was a change, and they don't like that they are changing it back. No, people don't like the Windows 8 UI because it's terrible on the desktop. Comparatively, the classic Windows UI is terrible on touch-screen devices. Even combining both interfaces on one OS isn't terrible. But in Windows 8 they both bleed into each other in a way that is not good. Windows 10 combines them…

> because it's terrible on the desktop.

That is your opinion, as I said:

subjective

Your opinion is not the only correct one, although it is the more typical reaction to change. Any alternative change would have likely caused this exact same fallout.

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