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I need 20000 USD to pay my education bond

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Re: I need 20000 USD to pay my education bond

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This sounds pretty close to indentured servitude. Are you in the US? Did you come from another country? I'd look into pursuing human trafficking claims against the "agency": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_bondage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Trafficking_and_Viol... You might also want to check with the labor board in the state you live in, or the US Department of Labor to see if the agreement is even le…

No, actually, I am from India. I have checked with lawyers and the agreement may actually not be legal, but I do not want to get into a legal mess, given the current state of Indian judiciary along the lawyer's expenses, it may get stretched for years. In the mean while, my prospects for higher education are at stake as I have to save for it as well. Right now, I am looking for somebody who could possibly guide me th…

Hmm, well I'm not familiar with India and it's government. Are there any "watchdog" government agencies that handle violations of labor laws? If you can get the government on your side you might be able to avoid lawyer's fees.

Have you already completed the Bachelor's program? What happens if you just leave the agency and move somewhere else?

Re: I need 20000 USD to pay my education bond

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I cannot get them to fire unless on disciplinary grounds. Under performing would just get me humiliated. And my place of work is a facility where I am not allowed to carry my personal belongings such as my laptop and as such, I can not work my personal projects in the mean time either. In case, I quit without notice, my bond surety would have to pay for the bond amount.

exactly get them to fire you on disciplinary grounds also you can only work as hard as 800 is worth to you. and you can start a business in your part time, try to find a buddy to code some apps with

Getting fired on disciplinary grounds would sum up to physical or sexual assault or smuggling components or something of that order. Not very advisable for somebody just starting his carrier, I think.

Re: I need 20000 USD to pay my education bond

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I cannot get them to fire unless on disciplinary grounds. Under performing would just get me humiliated. And my place of work is a facility where I am not allowed to carry my personal belongings such as my laptop and as such, I can not work my personal projects in the mean time either. In case, I quit without notice, my bond surety would have to pay for the bond amount.

exactly get them to fire you on disciplinary grounds also you can only work as hard as 800 is worth to you. and you can start a business in your part time, try to find a buddy to code some apps with

Before doing that, read the paperwork carefully. It may have the standard clause "All your work are belong to us". So the side project you do in your free time is also property of the agency even if it's only tangentially related to your work there.

Perhaps you may get an exception to contribute to a big open source project. You will not get money, but you will get more experience and things to put in your CV.

Re: I need 20000 USD to pay my education bond

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Take it from somebody who's shaken hands with the Indian High Commissioner of a country, chatted up many members of the State Bank of India and who's friends with a venture capitalist that takes investing in, and expanding, domestic infrastructure for cleaner air, water and electricity very seriously. He's setup many electric generations facilities, water generation facilities and more.

Given my background with the Indian government (nope, not Indian here) you're out of luck. The only way to "Save, earn, etc," with your situation is the exact same as I went through as a poor American, owing (today, 15 years after graduation) more than $35,000 dollars for my college degree. That's more money than I earned in the last eight months - and, I have two children, the IRS also claims I owe them about a ton of money, but thanks to finally catching up on filings, it's a smaller number - or soon will be.

Friend, it is hard for people who know billionaires, who know people, shook their hand and made them millions via Ycombinator and others (I got turned down, but, applied late).

The facts are the following: * Nobody owes you a living, period. If they do, we're all standing in line and it's not moving. * Save money. If it's a Penny, a Pound or a Franc, it matters. * Create works - code, write, etc - so when and if you CAN publish, you're ready. Even if you develop skills that you can't use, nobody can EVER steal what's in your head. :)

Finally on a very, very serious note. Everybody has a sob story. My mom's currently a cancer survivor; my step dad has been on dialysis for a decade and thank goodness they are poor enough the US government pays for their medical treatment - or they'd already be dead. Life can be hard, it generally can suck, but, you own what you know. Knowledge is power. Stop whining in public, produce, learn and grow. Most of us, here on a "dot com," address are global, or rather, "Not Indian," so won't be able to give you the best advice.

However, if the goal was, "Learn how to compete with the best & brightest," this is a fantastic place. Sympathy is hard to find, but positive, productive suggestions - hard work, acquire knowledge - are the real keys to growth.

Re: I need 20000 USD to pay my education bond

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No, actually, I am from India. I have checked with lawyers and the agreement may actually not be legal, but I do not want to get into a legal mess, given the current state of Indian judiciary along the lawyer's expenses, it may get stretched for years. In the mean while, my prospects for higher education are at stake as I have to save for it as well. Right now, I am looking for somebody who could possibly guide me th…

Hmm, well I'm not familiar with India and it's government. Are there any "watchdog" government agencies that handle violations of labor laws? If you can get the government on your side you might be able to avoid lawyer's fees. Have you already completed the Bachelor's program? What happens if you just leave the agency and move somewhere else?

Indian here.

> Are there any "watchdog" government agencies that handle violations of labor laws?

No.

> If you can get the government on your side...

This is possible, public prosecutor will be assigned. But the case will take easily 4-5 years to come to a conclusion.

> What happens if you just leave the agency and move somewhere else?

Highly unlikely that agency may sue OP.

6 of my friends were working some companys and had signed 3 years bond. or would have to pay about $5000. Four of them just left the company, no notification or official resignation. Just, said goodbye. Other two cited health reasons and said they cannot work for next 6-7 months etc. They were let go.

I don't know for which agency OP works for. But I am yet to see/read someone paying up for breaking the agreement/bond in India. Companies also wouldn't want to pursue the matter further, cos it will cost them more anyways and courts will drag the cases for years. So they simply let people go, atleast in 99% of cases. That's how it is in India.

Re: I need 20000 USD to pay my education bond

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Hmm, well I'm not familiar with India and it's government. Are there any "watchdog" government agencies that handle violations of labor laws? If you can get the government on your side you might be able to avoid lawyer's fees. Have you already completed the Bachelor's program? What happens if you just leave the agency and move somewhere else?

Indian here. > Are there any "watchdog" government agencies that handle violations of labor laws? No. > If you can get the government on your side... This is possible, public prosecutor will be assigned. But the case will take easily 4-5 years to come to a conclusion. > What happens if you just leave the agency and move somewhere else? Highly unlikely that agency may sue OP. 6 of my friends were working some companys…

Well, the government agency involved here is the Department of Space, Government of India. I am currently working for Indian Space Research Organization and did my Bachelor of Technology from Indian Institute of Space Science and Technology, Trivandrum, Kerala, India. My certificates and transcripts are still held up and would not be released unless I clear my bond or complete my tenure. If I leave without notification, the money would be demanded from my surety, followed by legal prosecution if not produced. No health excuses here either. And yes, the department will and has in the past pursued such cases in the court of law and as far as I know, all of them are pending so far.

Re: I need 20000 USD to pay my education bond

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Take it from somebody who's shaken hands with the Indian High Commissioner of a country, chatted up many members of the State Bank of India and who's friends with a venture capitalist that takes investing in, and expanding, domestic infrastructure for cleaner air, water and electricity very seriously. He's setup many electric generations facilities, water generation facilities and more. Given my background with the I…

Sir, I am not cribbing. Rather asking for help to focus my effort in more fruitful direction, the foresight of which I lack, so that at the end of it, I have a reasonable chance of coming out on the top.
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