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Ask HN: What to do if you are ridiculously burnt out?

#1
I'm in a partnership project where I am the developer and my partner is the marketer, and it hasn't felt like a partnership at all.

The app is written in AngularJS and Node-Webkit (gosh, I regret not using React), and I'm bad with time which my partner understands, but every week asks me to get it done over the weekend and it's been a month of that so far.

I'm working 7 days a week 10+ hours a day and I can't handle it, I can't eat from the stress getting to my stomach, and I can't sleep because I always think about the project. On top of that, I'm the only one expected to work these ridiculous hours, everyone else is usually 8 hour week days.

I just want to get this project done, start making money but also nicely (without explaining all the technical details) why it is taking so long.

What should I do in this situation?

Thank you in advance!

EDIT: Grammar fixes and separated in paragraphs.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you are ridiculously burnt out?

#2
I'd say chill out, the project is probably not that big of a deal in the scheme of your life. I've been in a situation like that and most of the problem is your own thoughts reinforcing themselves. In reality you can pause work at any time. You can drop out of the project entirely. All it takes is saying "sorry, I'm not going to work on this any more."

So talk with your marketing partner and tell them you're working too hard and need others to help you more, and that you're going to take a week off from stress. Then try to think about other things. Go see people you haven't seen for a while. Come back after a week and see how your partner can address the work imbalance and see if you want to keep going with them. Seriously, just do it.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you are ridiculously burnt out?

#3
post #2

I'd say chill out, the project is probably not that big of a deal in the scheme of your life. I've been in a situation like that and most of the problem is your own thoughts reinforcing themselves. In reality you can pause work at any time. You can drop out of the project entirely. All it takes is saying "sorry, I'm not going to work on this any more." So talk with your marketing partner and tell them you're working…

This. Also, get your health sorted. Working too much and sleeping too little is terrible for stress and productivity. Causing more stress. And compounding. Try to get a solid sleep routine down and when you come back do laser focused work sessions and then call it quits after time is up.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you are ridiculously burnt out?

#4
Are you sure you haven't buried yourself in a technical hole of despair?

If you have, it may be faster to treat your existing version as a prototype and rewrite a highly simplified version (an "MVP"). You can probably reuse a lot of the existing code and fix all of the big mistakes that are dragging you down, like not using React.

Make it your goal to get it released by a certain date and stick to it. Ruthlessly cut features until it's possible to meet that date. Reevaluate every sacred cow. Reason from first principles about what your product absolutely must do.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you are ridiculously burnt out?

#5
Can you supply some details about the business-related dynamics at play here, specifically whether or not you're being paid any flat rate (or just equity), what your share is compared to the marketer, and whether you have a contract that puts you on the hook for anything?

A recent article ( http://www.hailpixel.com/articles/technical-cofounders ) and the accompanying HN discussion ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8959377 ) highlights how exploitative the "technical co-founder" relationship can be -- you may want to evaluate whether your situation resembles something like that and whether you want to re-negotiate or leave.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you are ridiculously burnt out?

#7
I quit my job, sold my house, sold all my stuff and moved to a lazy beach town near the equator. Never felt happier, never felt more rested, never thought as clearly as I do now.

Totally not answering you question when it comes to finishing the project, but sometimes you just have to call it quits because your health is more important than yet-another-website.

If you are ever in Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca, Mexico -- give me a shout and we'll hang out :)

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you are ridiculously burnt out?

#8
Just tell him you are reaching a burn-out point and need a few days of complete R&R. That is normal especially when you are working really hard. If he's a good partner he'll understand.

What's the ideal work flow? I tend to lean toward steady, solid flow day after day with a good work/life balance. Others seem to like more of a sprint/celebrate kind of flow. In a small company you should be able to just do whatever is best for you if you are the one writing the code.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you are ridiculously burnt out?

#10
Sometimes, the best way to accomplish your goals is to work nonstop. Sometimes, it's more productive to dial back and make a long, sustained effort. Sometimes, the thing you're working on isn't worth the effort, so you do something else.

No matter what you choose, I strongly recommend you talk to your buddy. Don't vent, but try to help him understand what you're going through. Tell him what needs to change, and be concrete. For example: Say you'll work 40 hours a week, plus one weekend a month if there's an emergency. If your requests are wishy-washy or open to interpretation, each of you will have different expectations. It will just postpone the problem.

Lastly, don't get too worked-up about this. Worst-case, you walk away and the project falls apart. The end. Nobody gets physically injured. Nobody's life is ruined. Everyone moves on to other stuff.

Remember: Nothing is ever as good, or as bad, as it seems at the time.

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