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Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always been a sports fan, but I really dislike the giant subsidies given to billionaires, to the point where it just feels like a giant con. Not only is everything over priced, but there's a vast array of tax breaks and hidden subsidies that the working class pays for.

Do you feel the same way about the music and movie industries?

A. I don't think that whatever tax breaks those industries get, that they compare in scope to the obscenity that is the National Football League.

B. I tend not to go to "tent pole" movies (well, occasionally) nor really consume a lot of blockbuster type music. Those would likely be the largest consumers of subsidies, or at least I'd guess that.

C. Music and movies occasionally intersect with "art" which I mostly support some subsidy of.

You did ask a good, thought provoking question. But as I said, I do like sports, and do use some of my discretionary spending to attend games. I don't support the massive subsidies that professional sports in the US gets.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#122
That's all fine and dandy, I've never had an interest in watching sports on TV and I would rather spend my CPU cycles in other stuff. Time is a precious resource and I have other priorities and other hobbies/interests for which I actually care. That said, I do enjoy watching live games and occasionally playing some sports with friends.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#123
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When you show overt contempt for sports you are showing contempt for most everybody and that is problem with your social skills. It's called being a snob. The disdain for working class culture among academics was part of the reason I choose not to pursue a formal higher education. I suspect this overt snootiness keeps many gifted working class kids from participating in higher education. I grew up working class and w…

I just find that trying to live vicariously through other men is emasculating. I will play a pickup game with any of my working class neighbors any day of the week. But I'm not going to talk about the players like they're people I know (like men do in my barber shop). Call it what you will. I connect with working class folks better still than these (mostly) white privileged bubble inhabiting social dilettantes.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#124

Why is this on HN?

...not sure. could make the argument that HN attracts more 'intellectuals/non-sports fans', if we're making that classification. And therefore it's a topic of universal interest here (not that that makes it topical)

worth noting though, that the separation of the two groups [educated/non-sports] and [sports] is probably related to cost of activities ($basketball < $computers or tutors) and also related to the simple probability that top x% intellectuals and top x% athletes aren't likely to overlap. Everyone in-between is then forced to pick sides/friends...and sports-talk is super social/accessible.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#125

I don't like the message of this post. I do understand (and see) the cultivated disinterest he's talking about, but I would never suggest you try and make yourself like something for the sole purpose of fitting in, ie cultivating disinterest is bad, but so is cultivating this interest. If you keep and open mind and follow your passions, you'll eventually stumble on something you share enough with others. My disintere…

>so is cultivating this interest. How so? Taking part in the things most inherent in your culture is arguably a good thing. It helps you keep in touch with the rest of the world. It helps you carry on and start up conversations with your peers. It's easier to "break the ice". It makes you feel more connected to society, which is something that I'm sure most of us sitting behind a computer screen 24/7 certainly could…

> How so? Taking part in the things most inherent in your culture is arguably a good thing.

Is it really? I'm not a Christian but that would be an easy way for me to have something in common with most of America.

And the value of "it's good to go with the flow" isn't arguably good: http://mic.com/articles/92479/psychologists-have-uncovered-a...

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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When you show overt contempt for sports you are showing contempt for most everybody and that is problem with your social skills. It's called being a snob. The disdain for working class culture among academics was part of the reason I choose not to pursue a formal higher education. I suspect this overt snootiness keeps many gifted working class kids from participating in higher education. I grew up working class and w…

"When you show overt contempt for sports you are showing contempt for most everybody and that is problem with your social skills." That's nice. What other corporate products must I consume in order to be a validated member of your social caste? How about this: "when you show overt contempt for fast food, you are showing contempt for most everybody, and that is a problem with your social skills." If I don't eat at McD…

Having a valid reason why some activity is intrinsically bad (e.g. fast food) is very different from disliking such activities because they are "beneath" you. Sports are widely loved and not intrinsically bad. (I'd even argue that fast food itself is not intrinsically bad, but that's a different discussion)

However, even expressing contempt for intrinsically bad activities can be interpreted as offensive and hostile. There's a difference between saying something is bad, and saying that someone is bad because they participate in or enjoy it. Making people feel bad for eating McDonalds is unlikely to make or keep friends and is therefore by definition a problem with your social skills.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#127
As someone who doesn't like sports, who grew up in an environment where sports were very prominent, going to college and having the opportunity to dismiss popular sports, call it sportsball, and actually connect with people on that was a breath of fresh air, and felt like a goddamn treasure at the time.

Now that I'm not 18 anymore, I can see where this article is coming from. I don't have the luxury of only talking to people in my peer group, and I've learned a little bit from sports about how to get excited from other people's excitement. Still, I feel like I had to leave an environment where sports were Mandatory Fun to get that enjoyment.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#128
post #20

When you show overt contempt for sports you are showing contempt for most everybody and that is problem with your social skills. It's called being a snob. The disdain for working class culture among academics was part of the reason I choose not to pursue a formal higher education. I suspect this overt snootiness keeps many gifted working class kids from participating in higher education. I grew up working class and w…

It seems to me that rooting out and shaming "snobs" is becoming something of a cultural pastime. It really bothers people when you don't like what they like. So it must be because you're an asshole snob, not because you just don't like it. It's related to all the anti-"hipster" crap that has popped up in recent years. It's fun because skewering "hipsters" is puncturing pretensions, you're taking cultural snobs down a peg.

I find all this behavior symptomatic - even if someone is being a snob, so what? Ignore them if their opinions are bad.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#129
i always found Chomsky's take on sports to be quite interesting...

"Take, say, sports -- that's another crucial example of the indoctrination system, in my view. For one thing because it -- you know, it offers people something to pay attention to that's of no importance. [audience laughs] That keeps them from worrying about -- [applause] keeps them from worrying about things that matter to their lives that they might have some idea of doing something about. And in fact it's striking to see the intelligence that's used by ordinary people in [discussions of] sports [as opposed to political and social issues]. I mean, you listen to radio stations where people call in -- they have the most exotic information [more laughter] and understanding about all kind of arcane issues. And the press undoubtedly does a lot with this.

You know, I remember in high school, already I was pretty old. I suddenly asked myself at one point, why do I care if my high school team wins the football game? [laughter] I mean, I don't know anybody on the team, you know? [audience roars] I mean, they have nothing to do with me, I mean, why I am cheering for my team? It doesn't mean any -- it doesn't make sense. But the point is, it does make sense: it's a way of building up irrational attitudes of submission to authority, and group cohesion behind leadership elements -- in fact, it's training in irrational jingoism. That's also a feature of competitive sports. I think if you look closely at these things, I think, typically, they do have functions, and that's why energy is devoted to supporting them and creating a basis for them and advertisers are willing to pay for them and so on."

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/1992----02.htm

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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When you show overt contempt for sports you are showing contempt for most everybody and that is problem with your social skills. It's called being a snob. The disdain for working class culture among academics was part of the reason I choose not to pursue a formal higher education. I suspect this overt snootiness keeps many gifted working class kids from participating in higher education. I grew up working class and w…

To be fair, disinterest and contempt are very different things. Saying "I'm not interested in X" has very different connotations from "I can't see why anybody is interested in X".

This article isn't talking about disinterest. It's talking about the contempt self proclaimed intellectuals have - not the "oh I don't really follow NFL" attitude, the "oh, you like sports? Here let me post the tim and eric sports video to show how disdainful I am of sports."

You know the type, they think they're so clever calling sports terms by the wrong name. Really sticking it to society by saying things like, "yay!! our squad scored some touchgoals in the handball match ha-ha-ha!!" People who are too good for non-intellectual things like sports, because in their mind, being intellectual is what sets them apart from the rest of the pack and the rest of the pack are stupid neanderthals who watch sports.

I've had a couple girlfriends who made fun of me enjoying hockey and college football, but after explaining the depth of the strategy, and how the football game is much less about the guys running into each other, and much more about the chess game the coaches are playing against each other, they've all come around and at least appreciated what sports are about.

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