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Google says it fought gag orders in WikiLeaks investigation

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Re: Google says it fought gag orders in WikiLeaks investigation

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Google was a premium partner in the Prysm NSA program. According to the first leaks, Google along with Facebook, Skype and Apple were the first to sign up to the NSA spying programs as partners. All along they're trying to paint themselves as victims of the spying, which is ridiculous really...but I guess they can still fool a large population.

You're getting down voted because of all the Google, Facebook, and Apple employees here on HN.

point proven.

Re: Google says it fought gag orders in WikiLeaks investigation

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never mentioned Matadano. I specifically refered to the "larger transnational security company" that acquired Matasano. If that's not correct regarding Matasano, I'm sorry. But I'm not being evasive in any way. I'll let you know when I scale up to where I get a glimpse into the abyss.

I ran the professional services division for one of the largest companies in the same space as Matasano. I'd love to hear what you think the NSA might have persuaded us to do?

I worked for the "multinational" for two years after the acquisition and I'm curious about NSA's evil influence too. Tell us more, Zigurd? Seriously: just a theory about what could have been happening would be great.

Re: Google says it fought gag orders in WikiLeaks investigation

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never mentioned Matadano. I specifically refered to the "larger transnational security company" that acquired Matasano. If that's not correct regarding Matasano, I'm sorry. But I'm not being evasive in any way. I'll let you know when I scale up to where I get a glimpse into the abyss.

I ran the professional services division for one of the largest companies in the same space as Matasano. I'd love to hear what you think the NSA might have persuaded us to do?

Since your indignation is fully intact, "one of the largest companies..." would not be RSA, right?

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran the professional services division for one of the largest companies in the same space as Matasano. I'd love to hear what you think the NSA might have persuaded us to do?

Since your indignation is fully intact, "one of the largest companies..." would not be RSA, right?

RSA isn't in remotely the same space as Matasano, nor would it be "one of the largest" if it were in that space.

As I rock back and forth in my chair, silently repeat the serenity prayer, and try to remain charitable; what sort of work do you think Matasano (or NCC, Accuvant, or VerizonBusiness, my former employer) does?

Re: Google says it fought gag orders in WikiLeaks investigation

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If you're a google employee and you see a gag order and disagree with it you almost certainly have the skills to leak it undetectably such that you can't be prosecuted because there is no evidence.

I wonder, is that the right thing to do? How would you do it technically if you thought it was? Who would you leak it to?

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post #65

If you're a google employee and you see a gag order and disagree with it you almost certainly have the skills to leak it undetectably such that you can't be prosecuted because there is no evidence. I wonder, is that the right thing to do? How would you do it technically if you thought it was? Who would you leak it to?

Even granting your premise that a Google employee could leak the gag order undetectably (and I'm not confident about that, since the universe of people to investigate would be relatively small), there would still be serious repercussions to deal with.

At bottom, there's someone at Google in charge of overseeing the gag order. If the gag order leaks and they can't figure out who's responsible, I'm pretty sure they end up going to jail - if only because a court would have a hard time telling the difference between genuinely not being able to find the leaker and stonewalling / implementing a cover-up.

Re: Google says it fought gag orders in WikiLeaks investigation

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(Any lawyers here who could weigh in?) Could a company nullify gag orders if it was their policy to post ALL their correspondence on their website? For example, AcmeCo gets a request from the US Government to share information about one of AcmeCo's customers (e.g. WikiLeaks). AcmeCo scans and posts this letter (as it does for everything it receives including its electricity bill) on its website. Could they then circu…

Similarly, is anyone who reads the letter bound by the gag order or only the intended recipient. If the latter, you could always arrange to have someone read your mail first before you do (so you have no knowledge of it's contents and it's secret status), and that someone else would be able to talk about that NSL since they were not the subject of it.

Re: Google says it fought gag orders in WikiLeaks investigation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like the gag orders are "don't tell these suspects that we're monitoring them". Seems quite legitimate and essential in ordinary cases. But we need a robust court system that will restrict gag orders to legit things, rather than suppressing dissent.

Would people involved with Wikileaks actually change their behavior if they were given proof that the US government was spying on them? I assume they are already operating under the assumption that that is the case. From what I have seen, the US government spying on that community is already taken as established fact within that community.

And that's basically the main point against gag orders. Or do you expect the rest of the population to also become paranoid toward their government not knowing if they are being spied on?
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