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LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Curious - there are a lot of ways to say the terminal "so." I would have thought that ellipses (so...) capture the affect with which most people deliver it, but the hard stop actually adds a nice twang to it. I imagine the speaker quickly saying it, pursing their lips slightly and tilting their head to one side while maintaining eye contact with the other party in the conversation. But yeah, totes agree on the design…

DAE pedantry?!?

Analysis is not pedantry.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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While this is certainly a step in the right direction, it displeases me that the FOSS community is so hostile to the ribbon-style UI MS uses in its office product. Its such a great concept that using LO is like stepping back into the Office 97 days. Frankly, I'd rather just pay every few years for a home edition of Office than do all the mental gymnastic needed to properly switch to LO.

>Its such a great concept that using LO is like stepping back into the Office 97 days. Maybe there's a reason why ribbon-style components haven't really taken off outside of core Microsoft products. I don't think the ribbon is actually that great-looking and I don't think it's that functional. I'm also a fan of a LO forging it's own identity. For far to long Open Office strove to mimic MS Office in look-and-feel.

The Ribbon is amazing when you have lots and lots of commands, many which aren't always commonly used. Few programs approach the sheer number of commands. IIRC, in Office 2007 it was like 1300?

One of the main designers ran a blog explaining the design process. Even if you hate the ribbon, the explanation of how they came to it (heavily driven by telemetry, eye tracking studies, etc) is pretty cool. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story...

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Looks like software from the 2000's :( They should just hire someone to make a modern design

Even if it does, so what? I'm all for having designers on the team, but gratuitous redesigns often end up for the worse. Something like LibreOffice is a giant piece of software produced by a team that is far too small. They have to be conservative, and they have to focus their energy properly. Frankly, instead of playing around with trying to make things "beautiful" (which is hopeless anyway, given how opinions diffe…

The Ribbon UI idea - to highlight contextually relevant options and hide irrelevant ones - seems like a worthy idea to copy. That said, using horizontal rather than vertical space would be good.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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AbiWord and Gnumeric have always looked better than their LibreOffice counterparts!

Gnumeric is a large steaming pile of dog poo. Do a sort on a largeish file and it will consume all the known RAM in the universe. Do the same operation in Excel and it barely breaks a sweat.

Provide a proper test case to the developers and they will likely fix it. I've had extraordinarily nice experiences with bug reports to gnumeric so far.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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The icons need color for easy differentiation. These crisp monochrome icons are nice in theory, but when you're quickly scanning for an icon it all goes to mush in your vision.

This icon style is called Sifr. There are five other styles available in the View section of the Options dialog, which seems like at least three too many. I'm trying Oxygen for now.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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If anyone follows this, what’s the current with LibreOffice vs OpenOffice.org? Is one objectively better than the other now? What has the community momentum?

LibreOffice has all the momentum, all the brain share and all the innovations. They made massive changes and miraculously brought a crufty code base full of technological debt back to life. Now they started to care about aestethics. And suddenly people notice. :-)

meanwhile, OpenOffice added some comic sans to their logo http://www.openoffice.org/

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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While this is certainly a step in the right direction, it displeases me that the FOSS community is so hostile to the ribbon-style UI MS uses in its office product. Its such a great concept that using LO is like stepping back into the Office 97 days. Frankly, I'd rather just pay every few years for a home edition of Office than do all the mental gymnastic needed to properly switch to LO.

I have come to dislike all manner of menu based interfaces. They are annoying as fuck unless you are well used to the program, and then they keep changing them with different versions. What I would like is a search as you type entry field, similar to the Windows 7 start menu. I type in "cro..." and cross reference shows up, then I click on it. And it'd have the option of keeping the commonly used ones nearby for easy click. I havent used any apps that do this, but would love to see something like this.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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I've still got Word '97 documents where Writer frags the table formatting...

If you have one that is not private, please log a big along with the document and some sample screenshots of the correct and incorrect displays. Bugs like that tend to get our attention because they're easier to fix :)

I'd really love to, but in both cases where this has happened, the documents are very very private :(

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Don't OSS project has professional designer? I mean like Apple-quality designers?

Have you ever tried contributing to a popular FOSS product? I have. Expect to be downvoted, yelled at, etc for suggesting change, especially change that's an emotional issue for geeks (implementing a ribbon-like interface, you know the one started by the 'evil' microsoft). Linus's childish attitude is pretty much the poster boy for this attitude. Namecalling is the norm. There are so many cultural and management issu…

There are thousands and thousands of FOSS projects. I'm sorry to hear your particular experience sucked, but painting them all with the same brush is to say the least over generalizing. Do your complaints apply to LibreOffice? Are they Linus-esque in their arrogance when being suggested improvements?

Which project was it you were treated this way on? I've had some great experiences with FOSS.

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