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LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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post #67

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That's not good at all. If you log a bug, you should be able to send over the documents in confidence - this sounds pretty bad.

Next time I encounter this, I'll definitely do it. I might still have a file around that's doing it, in which case, I'll give it a send hopefully today or tomorrow. Thanks!

Cheers - much appreciated.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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post #78

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/enter_bug.cgi So that's a UTF-8 file? Funny it's coming up with UTF-16...

Filed. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88909 It should just be a US-ASCII file, so yeah, UTF-8 works, while UTF-16 obviously wouldn't.

Cheers.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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While the icons may have gotten flatter, it still didn't fix any of the major information architecture issues that plague MSWord clones of the 2000s.

The "design problems" aren't the colors, it's being responsive to exactly what users want to do without putting unnecessary interface elements in their way.

Take a look at HackPad for an example of great text editing experiences.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

#84
post #56

Windows user here. It's not particularly any prettier, and Calc doesn't open CSVs correctly anymore. So yeah, there's that. http://i.imgur.com/i1YuVXA.png

Importing of CSVs is a joke in both OO and LibreOffice - I literally have to rename files to .csv to get them to interpret .txt (or other extensions) as comma-separated - there's no nice "Import" menu like Excel has had for decades.

Even opening Calc first then using its menu to open a .txt opens the file in LibreOffice Writer!

And then of course Gnome's (on Linux) file browsers no longer support renaming of files in the browsers, so you have to mess around elsewhere.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

#85
post #78

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Filed. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88909 It should just be a US-ASCII file, so yeah, UTF-8 works, while UTF-16 obviously wouldn't.

Cheers.

Thanks! Despite my complaining, I do use and love LibreOffice. Thanks for all your hard work!

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

#86
post #57

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Have you ever tried contributing to a popular FOSS product? I have. Expect to be downvoted, yelled at, etc for suggesting change, especially change that's an emotional issue for geeks (implementing a ribbon-like interface, you know the one started by the 'evil' microsoft). Linus's childish attitude is pretty much the poster boy for this attitude. Namecalling is the norm. There are so many cultural and management issu…

You know, even though I think there are pretty decent Linux DEs today (I'll gladly take Gnome 3 over the OSX or Windows GUIs), you are completely right about the community having an awful attitude towards their designers. See all the hate thrown at Gnome 3, Unity and Pantheon... Those projects are the only ones keeping Linux from looking like it's 10-20 years behind its competitors in UI design.

Not hating them but a few of those people always seem to have brilliant ideas that they try to force (spatial nautilus for the oldtimers, breaking alt-tab in unity etc).

Where it gets really annoying is when they remove the options - our way or the highway, again something borroed straight from Apple.

(yeah, a little tongue in cheek is implied here, I am bo designer and I haven't done much research in UX)

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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post #50

While I appreciate effort put into making the interface prettier, one of the things that really detracts from LibreOffice and why I almost invariably end up installing MS Word for clients is the confusing way which the mail merge system is designed in LibreOffice. I've done it enough times now to know mostly how to get it working for myself, but there's no way in hell I'll try teaching a client how to do a mail merge…

Yes, and I'd add while it's possible to use a spreadsheet based data source for the mail merge - you have to go through a fairly obscure path to set it up. And most people asking me for help with mail merge have their data in spreadsheet form.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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post #83

While the icons may have gotten flatter, it still didn't fix any of the major information architecture issues that plague MSWord clones of the 2000s. The "design problems" aren't the colors, it's being responsive to exactly what users want to do without putting unnecessary interface elements in their way. Take a look at HackPad for an example of great text editing experiences.

If you're trying to "edit text" with LibreOffice, you've already picked the wrong tool for the job. The fact that a lot of people end up picking the wrong tool for the job isn't really LibreOffice's fault, nor does anything immediately leap to mind that they can do about that. In the meantime, a "document editor" is definitely a viable use case, even if it isn't the all-consuming use case that your usual Microsoft Word oriented "computer science" high school class may inadvertently teach.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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post #63
post #56

Windows user here. It's not particularly any prettier, and Calc doesn't open CSVs correctly anymore. So yeah, there's that. http://i.imgur.com/i1YuVXA.png

Earlier this week I wasted 45 minutes trying to figure out why the software I've been writing was producing Chinese CSVs, before I finally thought to open them in some software other than LibreOffice. Thanks, Libre!

Did you change the encoding to UTF8?

But it does look like our default option is now UTF-16, there's now a bug logged about this - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88909

Sorry that your experience wasn't great though :-(

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