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> nosequels gist is correct: the artist has now less choice than before I don't think that's a fair summary of the original comment, which also asserted that the artist is losing the choice to enforce their copyright unless they join the new program.
Ah, now I get how you meant that. Still, that is less choice than before in general. One could before let his music be tagged and was not obliged to do anything with Youtube. Now, to have the same as before, they are trying to bind artists with a 5 year contract and release obligations. That is pretty evidently less choice, and (probably) still having the option to not get paid but remove music from fans does not mak…
'YOUTUBE is EVIL': Somebody had a tape running, Google
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Do we really need PR schools to teach people how to be decent human beings? Probably not, but it's bad for business to be decent human beings. PR/x-relations/etc is about faking decency while unapologetically pushing a business agenda, that does take training.
That's how I feel, too. When I look at the whole area around sales, marketing and PR I can't help but wonder how come we, as a society, managed to legitimize being liars and cheats as an occupation. Lies are so common, so ordinary, that no one notices anymore.
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#83I really don't understand the scandal here. This just confirms that Google is offering musicians the choice that's been suspected ever since YouTube Music Key just a rumor: (a) Go all in on monetization (ads, Content Id, Music Key, etc.) (b) Go all out on monetization (upload videos for free, no other commercial relationship). They aren't offering this choice because it helps them kill puppies or whatever, but for wh…
I think the main complaint is that option (a), which is the option most artists would choose, also includes: you can't release any music without also putting it on YouTube at the same time Which is a pretty draconian clause.
In other words, from Google's point of view, Zoe Keating provides content for Google, for Google's benefit, not her benefit, or the benefit of her fans. In exchange, she doesn't have to run her own multimillion dollar content server. Recognizing the business they're in (advertising driven by user-provided content) doesn't seem 'draconian,' and there are other options available. If she can't accept alternatives then perhaps it proves that she needs Google a lot more than they need her.
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#84Google seems determined to make exactly the same mistakes with YouTube Music that it made trying to pushing Google+ down people's throats. I.e., abuse a dominant position in one area to force users onto its other services whilst completely ignoring both the collateral damage caused and the actual stated preferences of their users. This is exactly the kind of thing that people used to (rightfully) castigate Microsoft…
Really it's bizarre because the service they're offering on its own is quite valuable, so they'll get user adoption eventually I imagine - maybe not 100% but that's greedy or unreasonable at minimum. Far more damage is done with an aggressive/controlling stance, future long-term revenues and negative mindshare.
The biggest an organization can get and hope to have a reasonable chance of not going evil is probably some multiple of Dunbar's number. I think realistically the uppermost limit on it is going to be Dunbar's squared and assuming everyone has really high social skills and no life outside work then it's 250*250 = 62k people. But that only counts if everyone's job is doing nothing more than keeping up with the company's culture; no actual work gets done.
If you assume that you want your people to work while they're at the office then Dunbar's probably goes down quite a bit. Let's use the more reasonable 150 number that's closer to average and let's assume that you only want people to spend about 20% of their time on keeping in tune with everyone around them. That puts your group size at 30 instead of 150 or 250.
Now let's suppose that we organize hierarchically and that the senior execs really do live/eat/sleep/breathe the company. They're professional, high functioning managers, so let's give them the full 250. And then let's suppose that there are group managers who split their time between talking with their group and with senior management.
That gives you 250 groups of 30 people each or 7500 total employees. And in order to keep up with all these groups you've got to have 3-15 execs who are all on the same page and running themselves ragged trying to keep up. If you start adding more levels of management hierarchy you run the risk that as information gets passed down the chain it gets modified slightly or tremendously to serve the interests of any one individual in said chain. And there are too many bosses you have to "go over" to get a reasonable chance of talking to a real decision maker if you think something isn't right, but your direct boss is telling you to do anyhow.
This chart shows that Google cracked 7500 employees before 2007. http://www.statista.com/statistics/273744/number-of-full-tim...
I'd guess that they did between 2002 and 2004. The Google+/youtube integration debacle started in what, 2013? That means it took them a good decade before they really started to do outwardly very unattractive things. That's pretty impressive (or my theory is totally wrong).
Either way, past a certain point more employees are more of a liability than a badge of honor. It just increases the risk you do something stupid because everyone believes they're doing the right thing and there are no lines of communication to correct the misunderstanding, intentional or not.
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No, this is also incorrect. Artists can still upload and monetize to their own channel just like every other YouTube creator.
That is not the same monetization as using ContentID to add ads to all other videos with the music. That ability would be lost when an artist is not accepting the new terms.
Personally I don't really like these changes, but let's not be disingenuous.
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#86I really don't understand the scandal here. This just confirms that Google is offering musicians the choice that's been suspected ever since YouTube Music Key just a rumor: (a) Go all in on monetization (ads, Content Id, Music Key, etc.) (b) Go all out on monetization (upload videos for free, no other commercial relationship). They aren't offering this choice because it helps them kill puppies or whatever, but for wh…
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At the risk of being modded down along with you (hi Google fans!), I'll say that even though I have a much lower opinion of Google lately, I was still surprised by their actions in this case. I know that Google has never, ever cared about the individual, but this is surely an abuse of copyright far worse than what the record labels could ever dream of. Still, I have to wonder if this is just the Youtube division of G…
Your parent was modded down for bringing nothing to the conversation. It might as well have read "lol google." Unfortunately other similar media aren't as lucrative. Even if they pay as well, not being on YouTube creates an exposure problem. I hope there's some way to work this out, but to be honest, Google still seems to me like the least sleazy company to help you monetize your music, and that's not a compliment to…
I don't know...even if you sign with the worst of the traditional record labels, once your contract is up the rights to monetize your own works revert back to you. With Youtube (so far) it seems that if you refuse to sign with them, they still claim the right to monetize your works even if you don't upload them yourself. They take away the artist's control over their own works without even a contract in place. That's extremely sleazy if you ask me.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the main complaint is that option (a), which is the option most artists would choose, also includes: you can't release any music without also putting it on YouTube at the same time Which is a pretty draconian clause.
To play devil's advocate, though, why should Google provide access to the network they have and the value it provides, while making it easy to dilute the value content creators provide? In other words, from Google's point of view, Zoe Keating provides content for Google , for Google's benefit, not her benefit, or the benefit of her fans. In exchange, she doesn't have to run her own multimillion dollar content server.…
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BTW, she says she took notes with shorthand, so recording laws don't apply.
Big win for an old technology there. Are there any text entry UIs that can keep up with a trained shorthand writer?
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#90I really don't understand the scandal here. This just confirms that Google is offering musicians the choice that's been suspected ever since YouTube Music Key just a rumor: (a) Go all in on monetization (ads, Content Id, Music Key, etc.) (b) Go all out on monetization (upload videos for free, no other commercial relationship). They aren't offering this choice because it helps them kill puppies or whatever, but for wh…