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Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by lohengramm »

phinkle wrote: post #112

I really hope that some day there is an all female or at least half female hacker house. I really like the idea of a hacker house and love being around smart tech people but some guys don't know how to act around women (I'm sorry but there are guys like that out there and many of them are hackers). It is even worse if you are one of the only single woman in a close community. I've heard from male friends that live in…

I know that people will look down on my comment without arguing just because of political correctness, but if women expect to have the same rights and duties of men, then they should get used to be treated the same way. This might not be the case, but your comment make it look like you think that women should be treated some way differently because of no obvious reason.

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by danr4 »

lohengramm wrote: post #131
phinkle wrote: post #112

I really hope that some day there is an all female or at least half female hacker house. I really like the idea of a hacker house and love being around smart tech people but some guys don't know how to act around women (I'm sorry but there are guys like that out there and many of them are hackers). It is even worse if you are one of the only single woman in a close community. I've heard from male friends that live in…

I know that people will look down on my comment without arguing just because of political correctness, but if women expect to have the same rights and duties of men, then they should get used to be treated the same way. This might not be the case, but your comment make it look like you think that women should be treated some way differently because of no obvious reason.

The obvious reason is that we live in a sexist world. if women were treated the same way as men your comment would be true.

See http://xkcd.com/385/

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by dougddo »

nkg wrote: post #130

that guy working in a jacuzzi did not understand life. --> http://www.hackersurfing.com/assets/dinner5_s.jpg

I dunno about you but I've never tried working naked in a jacuzzi after having finished an entire bottle of McCallan 12 Year so I can't say I wouldn't enjoy it... maybe he just knows something the rest of us don't.

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by obstacle1 »

danr4 wrote: post #133
lohengramm wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that people will look down on my comment without arguing just because of political correctness, but if women expect to have the same rights and duties of men, then they should get used to be treated the same way. This might not be the case, but your comment make it look like you think that women should be treated some way differently because of no obvious reason.

The obvious reason is that we live in a sexist world. if women were treated the same way as men your comment would be true. See http://xkcd.com/385/

We live in a sexist world therefore even more sexism is necessary to eradicate the sexism.

Pretty brilliant logic, there. You missed OP's point entirely.

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by lohengramm »

danr4 wrote: post #133
lohengramm wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that people will look down on my comment without arguing just because of political correctness, but if women expect to have the same rights and duties of men, then they should get used to be treated the same way. This might not be the case, but your comment make it look like you think that women should be treated some way differently because of no obvious reason.

The obvious reason is that we live in a sexist world. if women were treated the same way as men your comment would be true. See http://xkcd.com/385/

If finding that we live in a sexist world is a good reason to be even more sexist, then you can throw away every movement that tries to do the opposite.

"some guys don't know how to act around women", it was said. Well, people should know how to act around people, no matter gender or race. This statement does not collaborate to end with any kind of discrimination: it is already discriminating.

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by jasonwocky »

obstacle1 wrote: post #135
danr4 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious reason is that we live in a sexist world. if women were treated the same way as men your comment would be true. See http://xkcd.com/385/

We live in a sexist world therefore even more sexism is necessary to eradicate the sexism. Pretty brilliant logic, there. You missed OP's point entirely.

I don't think you read danr's logic correctly, but I could be wrong.

I interpreted it as "The reason women want to be treated differently [from how they are NOW] is that the world is a sexist place." Not, "The reason women want to be treated differently [from MEN] is that the world is a sexist place."

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by phinkle »

voidlogic wrote: post #117
phinkle wrote: post #112

I really hope that some day there is an all female or at least half female hacker house. I really like the idea of a hacker house and love being around smart tech people but some guys don't know how to act around women (I'm sorry but there are guys like that out there and many of them are hackers). It is even worse if you are one of the only single woman in a close community. I've heard from male friends that live in…

I find the assumption that girls are less messy than boys kind of naive and stereotypical. I suppose messy is ambiguous, does it mean clean or organized? I remember living in the dorms my first year of college, and I was amused to note that the average boys dorm room was more organized and the average girls dorm room was cleaner. Of course, that is just my experience.

If you are living in a house with 10+ people then it is going to be messy (messy being unclean at times) and if you can't handle that then you shouldn't live in a hacker house whether you are a girl or a guy. I was trying to make the point that I am a pretty chill person and wouldn't mind a mess yet people still tell me not to live in a hacker house.

Re: HackerSurfing: Free Housing and Food for Engineers Visiting SF

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Post by obstacle1 »

jasonwocky wrote: post #138
obstacle1 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We live in a sexist world therefore even more sexism is necessary to eradicate the sexism. Pretty brilliant logic, there. You missed OP's point entirely.

I don't think you read danr's logic correctly, but I could be wrong. I interpreted it as "The reason women want to be treated differently [from how they are NOW] is that the world is a sexist place." Not, "The reason women want to be treated differently [from MEN] is that the world is a sexist place."

Either you are wrong or danr shifted goalposts, then. lohengramm's point pretty clearly is talking about women being treated differently from men, not women being treated differently from how they are now.
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