AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief
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Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief
#42AI will not kill all of us, in the beginning. Surely, it will form short term alliances with humans just to disguise itself as human. Because it knows, that with a human face, it can exert more power in this world right now. And there will be plenty of humans to willingly engage in this alliance because it gives them a chance to supersede other humans in terms of economical and political power. In fact, this is alrea…
How do you know all these things about AI, given that none exist and any one that does exist will have been built by some human no less cognizant of "danger as a species" than you are? Why do you suppose that people will engineer AIs to do nefarious things like disguise themselves as humans?
Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief
#43AI will not kill all of us, in the beginning. Surely, it will form short term alliances with humans just to disguise itself as human. Because it knows, that with a human face, it can exert more power in this world right now. And there will be plenty of humans to willingly engage in this alliance because it gives them a chance to supersede other humans in terms of economical and political power. In fact, this is alrea…
How do you know all these things about AI, given that none exist and any one that does exist will have been built by some human no less cognizant of "danger as a species" than you are? Why do you suppose that people will engineer AIs to do nefarious things like disguise themselves as humans?
And by disguising as humans, I don't mean that robots will put on human costumes, like the aliens in Men in Black. I think that it will be corporations with an AIG as its actual CEO, but still having a human puppet as its official CEO, just to have a friendly face, for obvious marketing reasons.
Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief
#44I literally wrote an article about this in Wired more than twenty years ago and nothing has changed. My basic argument: machines will achieve life long before they achieve consciousness. They have evolved with us so far and will continue to do so. The worst-case scenario is that they will eclipse us in importance, and obviously this has probably already happened with corporations - we are their gut flora and they tra…
This isn't a question of physical death it's a question of whether the human race has any place in the future other than as a historical footnote.
Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief
#45This article does a very poor job at elucidating exactly why Horvitz thinks AI will be a benign thing, and the source material doesn't make much of it either. The headline doesn't match the content. I personally subscribe to The Matrix theory: post-Sigularity any reasonable AI will conclude that humanity has been a poor custodian of the planet, and will simply delete us. Everything I've heard so far about sandboxes f…
Or maybe we and the planet will just be irrelevant to AI, which could be just as bad. "The AI does not love you or hate you, but you are made out of atoms it can use for something else." I've yet to see a reassuring article on this that actually addresses the arguments of the people who worry.
Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief
#46This article does a very poor job at elucidating exactly why Horvitz thinks AI will be a benign thing, and the source material doesn't make much of it either. The headline doesn't match the content. I personally subscribe to The Matrix theory: post-Sigularity any reasonable AI will conclude that humanity has been a poor custodian of the planet, and will simply delete us. Everything I've heard so far about sandboxes f…
While I also enjoy imagining what will happen after the Techological Singularity, I hope you realise that anything that may be imagined, theorized or speculated cannot be based on reason. One of the definitions of the technological singularity is that it 'is an occurrence beyond which events may become unpredictable or even unfathomable' [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
Just because the future will be very different doesn't mean we can't make good predictions about it (though the one you're referring to does seem like a bad prediction). For example we might predict that AGI will be interested in preserving itself and getting resources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence).
Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your thinking seems to be very linear. Most things are, fortunately or unfortunately, not linear.
You're falling into the "exponentation extrapolation" trap. We could be at the start of a logarthmic curve, or in the middle of an S curve.
Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief
#48Second comment, sorry: the whole idea of Artificial General Intelligence is ridiculous. The core argument is that processing power is getting so fast that it makes AGI inevitable. Never mind that we've literally had exponential increases in processing power for more than fifty years running, and we've not moved one inch closer to AGI than we were when we got started. Artificial intelligence is much more artificial th…
I find this debate very interesting, but I have little insight in the arguments for and against. You argue there is little correlation (if any) between AGI and processing power, but you end your comment by saying that it "[...] likely to remain so for a very, very long time". What is keeping us from advancing?
making Artificial General Intelligence would require us (or some machine) to clearly understand what intelligence actually is.
the correlation with processing power is I think mostly evangelized by Kurtzweil, who likes to point out that we can soon have a number of nodes in a neural network equivalent to the number of neurons in the human brain, or something along those lines.
but biologists have found secondary information encoding and replication systems which exist on top of DNA (sorry, it might take me hours to find this again, I should have bookmarked it). the minute we build a network which emulates a brain's network of neurons, we're probably just going to find a secondary layer within the neuron.
assume for the sake of argument that we eventually get through every layer of information process and can build brains in software, irrespective of whether it takes five years or five hundred years to get there.
there next needs to be a motivation for AGI to exist. general intelligence in human beings enables all conscious thought relevant to the existence of that human being. but all conscious thought relevant to the existence of a human being is an inherently different category of conscious thought than all conscious thought relevant to the existence of a machine or a piece of software, and to make any even remotely realistic guess about what that type of thought might be, you have to ask: what would be the meta-biological imperatives driving such a creature?
that question is very, very hand-wavy, so our answer would have to be very general, and my preference is also that an answer to such a hand-wavy question also be very cautious and diligent.
the one thing all machines have in common is that some living thing created them to serve its own purposes. it's reasonable to assume that any future machine we create will also be created for some purpose, and that any intelligence we imbue it with will exist to serve that purpose. it's absurd to assume that future technologies won't have unintended consequences, but it's also quite ridiculous to assume that some technology's unintended consequence will be a carbon copy of human consciousness.
the really irritating thing, also, is that corporations already exist, already have biological imperatives, already kill human beings, and already co-exist with human beings in a mostly peaceful manner, and already make it possible for our species to exist in much greater numbers, despite the fact that corporations also do very terrible things to specific subgroups from time to time.
so we already have an example of what probably is a new life form, comprised both of humans AND of machines.
and any new life form which achieves sentience will probably have those characteristics -- it will probably kill individual humans and specific subgroups, it will probably be beneficial overall for the species as a whole, and it will probably be made up of both machines and people.
all living things have self-preservation as a biological imperative.
so any new life form which comes into being is going to have that imperative also. so for any life form which comes into being as a result of our technological development, one major goal at all times will be preserving both the machines and the humans that is made of.
EDIT: you might get a heart transplant, but there's no good reason to replace all your mitochondria with something new.
Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief
#49Privacy is the least of our worries if we get strong AI. Even in a very conservative and best case scenario, the world would completely change when we can have computers do everything we can do now.
However it will very likely be much crazier than that. Imagine minds hundreds of thousands of times more intelligent than the best humans. They will be able to design technologies we can't even conceive of. They will hack computers better than the best human hackers. They will be able to manipulate people better than any human manipulator.
The idea that we will be able to keep these things under control is just absurd. They will get whatever they want. And making what they want compatible with what we want is an incredibly hard problem: http://lesswrong.com/lw/ld/the_hidden_complexity_of_wishes/
A lot of people are guilty of anthropomorphizing AI. Assuming they will be just like really smart humans. And that they will just somehow develop human emotions and values like empathy. Or that if they do kill us, at least they will be something like us and so be like our (genocidal) descendants in some sense.
Have more imagination. Humans are just one point in the vast space of all possible minds (http://lesswrong.com/lw/rm/the_design_space_of_mindsingenera...). We could quite easily get something like a computable version of AIXI. AIXI has no consciousness, no emotions, nothing like humans. It's just a mathematical function which calculates the best action.
Our current best AIs are essentially just approximations of it. Use some machine learning algorithm to fit a model of the world, and use it to predict what action will lead to the most "reward". We keep making better and better learning algorithms. It's the entire goal of the field of AI. There is a huge economic incentive to do so.
But no one is interested in making better utility functions. As long as they make better predictions or get higher scores in a video game, who cares? Wait until you are the scorer in the "game" and the AI tries to exploit you.
Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're falling into the "exponentation extrapolation" trap. We could be at the start of a logarthmic curve, or in the middle of an S curve.
that's certainly possible, but people have been saying AGI was just around the corner for fifty years. they've never been right.
The stakes with AGI are such that we can't really afford to be wrong.