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Re: Apple Reports Record First Quarter Results

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No they don't. The apple of china is of course...apple. Vivo and oppo don't come close to iPhone market share in the high end PRC market.

November 2014 China smartphone marketshares: Vivo 6%, Apple 5% Vivo don't do low-end models either.

I've never seen a vivo in Beijing before. iPhones...plenty, but vivo?

Also, there phones look mighty affordable (none above 3K RMB):

http://search.jd.com/Search?keyword=vivo&enc=utf-8

Compare to iphones (all new models > 4K RMB):

http://search.jd.com/Search?keyword=iphone&enc=utf-8

Re: Apple Reports Record First Quarter Results

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No they don't. The apple of china is of course...apple. Vivo and oppo don't come close to iPhone market share in the high end PRC market.

November 2014 China smartphone marketshares: Vivo 6%, Apple 5% Vivo don't do low-end models either.

Weird. I've never even heard of Vivo. All the wealthy Chinese people I know have an iPhone. I genuinely believe that they would be embarrassed to have anything other than an iPhone. They shake their head when I tell them how great an Android is. Even on TV, in the dramas, the rich characters always use iPhone and Macs. I've never seen anyone use a Lenovo or Vivo phone on chinese TV drama.

Re: Apple Reports Record First Quarter Results

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November 2014 China smartphone marketshares: Vivo 6%, Apple 5% Vivo don't do low-end models either.

Weird. I've never even heard of Vivo. All the wealthy Chinese people I know have an iPhone. I genuinely believe that they would be embarrassed to have anything other than an iPhone. They shake their head when I tell them how great an Android is. Even on TV, in the dramas, the rich characters always use iPhone and Macs. I've never seen anyone use a Lenovo or Vivo phone on chinese TV drama.

To be fair, Samsung is also considered kind of high end. They won't let you into starbucks unless you have an iPhone or Samsung something (just joking, sort of).

Re: Apple Reports Record First Quarter Results

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>> In general Apple's laptops are just well built and feel solid. Some PCs are like that, many aren't due to cost. If I'm going to use a machine every day for 4 years I want to know it's well built and holds up well. Be glad you're not like me and are stuck with a lemon like the 2011 Macbook Pro. It's a well built (chassis-wise, at least) and solid brick with a well known design defect that Apple refuses to acknowled…

I've had that kind of problem before, and I can also tell you the old PowerBooks in the G4 era could be pretty bad. You were thrilled to upgrade because it made a big difference. I've owned some of the older laptops where bits would start wearing out. My current laptop is a 2010 MBP and I've upgraded both the RAM and the HD, neither one is an option now. The upfront costs are higher than they used to be, and I'm not…

> the old PowerBooks in the G4 era could be pretty bad. You were thrilled to upgrade because it made a big difference

While I understand and respect your position, it made me smile that since someone was selling you pretty bad things, where bits would start wearing out, you were thrilled to give them more money for other things.

Apple can really have the pie and eat it!

Re: Apple Reports Record First Quarter Results

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The $184K is net profit, so each employee's salary is already counted. Another way of thinking about it: every Apple employee can get a $180K salary increase and they'd still make money.

A salary increase of $180K quarterly (== $720K annually)!

This is by far their biggest quarter though. If you add all four quarters, you get $440k annually. It's still insane.

Re: Apple Reports Record First Quarter Results

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That's surprisingly reasonable. The rule of thumb I've heard is only half of employee expenses is salary, so that gives you an average "effective" salary of $90,000 for Apple employees.

The $184K is net profit, so each employee's salary is already counted. Another way of thinking about it: every Apple employee can get a $180K salary increase and they'd still make money.

Yeah, I think this is really showing how much Apple the organization is extracting from the individual Apple employees.

Re: Apple Reports Record First Quarter Results

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Wow... Is that correct?

The numbers are correct. A better interpretation would be: if the employees owned the company, they'd (effectively) get that much more per year. Instead, shareholders own the company so that money is (effectively) given in equity to the shareholders each year.

Apple shareholders are an enormous cost-center. Perhaps the largest.

Re: Apple Reports Record First Quarter Results

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Apple has the technology headroom to keep making more powerful iphones for several more generations... but will it reach a point where people don't need a more powerful phone? (that they don't get any benefit from it, so that power is not utilized). I would have thought they were more powerful than a phone needs to be already, but obviously not! One view is that they are still replacing desktops, suggesting users wil…

Never underestimate the human ability to consume power / CPU / memory / sensors / etc. So far we've never had "enough" of any of these.

And yet, people buy SSDs even though they could get more memory in a HDD. Because they value speed over capacity.

"The Innovator's Dilemma" traces back the disk drive industry, and in each generation, people choose smaller memory capacity, for the sake of a smaller package (there used to be 8 inch drives, for example). The theoretical idea is that once users' need for performance is satisfied (it's "good enough"), they turn their attention to other issues - such as price, convenience/ease-of-use, customization etc.

It has happened with desktops: that's what caused the brief "netbook" popularity, and what made smartphones successful. Desktops had overshot what was needed for many tasks (browsing, email); but the smaller devices were just becoming powerful enough to manage. So although desktops were more powerful, that extra power didn't matter to many users.

The underlying idea is twofold: (1) all technologies improve over time, as engineers find better ways to do things (Moore's law is just one example); (2) what users demand also increases over time, but at a slower rate

Therefore, if you start with new approach that really struggles with many tasks, eventually it will become powerful enough for what users need; during the same period, the old technology started off powerful enough, and became even more powerful - but users didn't care, because it was more than they needed (or, at least, they didn't want it as much as they wanted other qualities, like convenience etc).

Re: Apple Reports Record First Quarter Results

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The best part of the report is that iPad sales are plunging. It's a victory for general purpose computing that that segment of the walled garden is in decline. Let's hope that open systems can gain a toehold in phones sometime too.

Sorry, I've been on "open systems" and walled gardens and at this point in my life, I prefer the walled garden. Whenever I wanted to do something in an "open system", it usually turned into a giant pain-in-the-ass or I got preached/yelled at by everyone. "oh, sorry, you don't have a driver for that yet. Maybe write one yourself and put it on github? Oh sorry, this system doesn't support that format because that forma…

I love open systems when I need an open system. I was a linux fanboy for a very long time but the frustration and configurability simply does not help me in my life as a consumer. I just need a phone that works, apps that don't suck, and a camera to capture my life. Apple is dominant in that category.

I couldn't imagine the same things I get out of the walled garden Apple provides as helping me in my career as web engineer. On a gnu/linux server I love being able to have absolute control to change everything as well as leverage the hard work others have contributed to the ecosystem. I just prefer to ssh to that server via my macbook.

Re: Apple Reports Record First Quarter Results

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I prefer multiples of the Apollo program when discussing Apple's finances. In 1973, NASA reported to Congress that the entire Apollo program cost $25.4 billion ($131.4 billion in 2013). It's useful when quantifying Apple's cash on hand, which is currently > 1x Apollo. With the quarterly revenue, they could probably reenact Apollo 11, since each launch was ~$350 million pre-inflation. If you're only doing one, a lot c…

It's really hard to quantify NASA & military spending though, a lot of that money was already spent by the military on ICBM research, which coincided nicely with trying to send people to space. To get an accurate number you'd have to take the amount that the US was spending on ICBMs, and ever more accurately how much the Third Reich was spending on research for the V2s etc. After all the US military & NASA benefited…

And a lot of that research Apple will not have to do in this hypothetical situation - how much of that cost was manufacturing and how much was r&d that only needs to be done once?
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