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Re: Luna – Hack your sleep

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Post by tempestn »

tremendo wrote: post #97
deanclatworthy wrote: post #46

My first instinct (being the geek that I am) upon seeing this was it looks great. And having lived in England the majority of my life, with cold houses and heating turned off at night - heated underblankets are a necessity. But as I read through the feature list, I couldn't help feel uncomfortable. Am I the only one that finds this deluge of technology into every aspect of our lives abhorrent? Every single day billio…

More than Black Mirror, it reminded me of Wall-e, where humans have become so atrophied from not doing anything. I need a device to rid me of the burden of locking the door, or putting on some PJ's. Ironically the constant use of screens and devices emitting blue-light even in bed has a more direct (and detrimental) impact on sleep quality than all those sensors, and the small cognitive-bandwidth gain, will. And of c…

Naturally, there's an app for that. Lux solves the nighttime light temperature problem for Android. (Similar to the desktop program F.lux.)

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Post by skwirl »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #46

My first instinct (being the geek that I am) upon seeing this was it looks great. And having lived in England the majority of my life, with cold houses and heating turned off at night - heated underblankets are a necessity. But as I read through the feature list, I couldn't help feel uncomfortable. Am I the only one that finds this deluge of technology into every aspect of our lives abhorrent? Every single day billio…

I don't understand why as someone in the technology world you would arbitrarily draw the line here. We've all been working on stuff that the world could do without. Why wouldn't you have drawn the line years ago when personal computers became a big thing?

Re: Luna – Hack your sleep

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Post by tempestn »

marvy wrote: post #50
deanclatworthy wrote: post #46

My first instinct (being the geek that I am) upon seeing this was it looks great. And having lived in England the majority of my life, with cold houses and heating turned off at night - heated underblankets are a necessity. But as I read through the feature list, I couldn't help feel uncomfortable. Am I the only one that finds this deluge of technology into every aspect of our lives abhorrent? Every single day billio…

As long as most of the features are default "off", I think it's fine. I bet most people would just use the scheduled warming, and maybe the smart wake based on sleep tracking.

Agreed. If the features are optional, then this sounds fantastic. If they're not, well, they should be.

Re: Luna – Hack your sleep

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Post by agotterer »

maghis wrote: post #18
UrMomReadsHN wrote: post #14

How does the sleep phase sensor work? I'm assuming it can't read brainwaves...

We use ballistocardiography (aka a big less sensitive microphone) to pick up movements, breathing and heart rate through the bed sheets.

Are the sound waves sent to the cloud for processing?

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Post by d23 »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #46

My first instinct (being the geek that I am) upon seeing this was it looks great. And having lived in England the majority of my life, with cold houses and heating turned off at night - heated underblankets are a necessity. But as I read through the feature list, I couldn't help feel uncomfortable. Am I the only one that finds this deluge of technology into every aspect of our lives abhorrent? Every single day billio…

You're not alone. There's a group of people that this will sell to, and that's fine, but I'm not one of them.

I can use any one of the following tools at my disposal to regulate my sleep temperature: a blanket, a fan, an air conditioner, a heater, a window, less clothing, more clothing. Some people in the world don't have the luxury of ANY of these, much less all of them. The last thing I need is a new device to piss me off and do something poorly that I've managed to do just fine since I was a toddler.

And yeah, the video got creepy toward the end. If at some point in my life I can't be bothered to turn off the lights and lock my door before going to sleep, I've become something I really don't want to be.

Re: Luna – Hack your sleep

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Post by newman314 »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #46

My first instinct (being the geek that I am) upon seeing this was it looks great. And having lived in England the majority of my life, with cold houses and heating turned off at night - heated underblankets are a necessity. But as I read through the feature list, I couldn't help feel uncomfortable. Am I the only one that finds this deluge of technology into every aspect of our lives abhorrent? Every single day billio…

I see a lot of devices being announced that all end data back to the cloud. I'm not comfortable with this.

I hope that there will be a push by people for local cloud configurations. One should not have to depend on the availability of the Internet in order for things to work.

To wit, the Nest has been completely wonky for me since the last update.

Re: Luna – Hack your sleep

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Post by newman314 »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #46

My first instinct (being the geek that I am) upon seeing this was it looks great. And having lived in England the majority of my life, with cold houses and heating turned off at night - heated underblankets are a necessity. But as I read through the feature list, I couldn't help feel uncomfortable. Am I the only one that finds this deluge of technology into every aspect of our lives abhorrent? Every single day billio…

I see a lot of devices being announced that all end data back to the cloud. I'm not comfortable with this.

I hope that there will be a push by people for local cloud configurations. One should not have to depend on the availability of the Internet in order for things to work.

To wit, the Nest has been completely wonky for me since the last update.

Re: Luna – Hack your sleep

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Post by begriffs »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #46

My first instinct (being the geek that I am) upon seeing this was it looks great. And having lived in England the majority of my life, with cold houses and heating turned off at night - heated underblankets are a necessity. But as I read through the feature list, I couldn't help feel uncomfortable. Am I the only one that finds this deluge of technology into every aspect of our lives abhorrent? Every single day billio…

Yeah, not sure why geeks seem to have this thing about sleep optimization. Whether it's a wristband to monitor your REM cycles, or a little app to track your sleep habits, or polyphasic weirdness, or now this thing to regulate sleeping parameters. It all points to some kind of psychological issue that many programmers seem to have.

For people who tinker with the maddeningly complex systems of software how can the "engineering problem" of sleep be that hard? Just get your ass into bed at a decent time, and then give yourself eight hours. In fact given the flexible schedules of many tech jobs it should be easier for us as a profession to be rested than, say, a baker who has to get up at 3:30am.

But like I said it may be a psychological thing, a mental association between sleep and giving up. "You'll have plenty of time to sleep in the grave" or whatever the saying is. So we want to feel we have control over this aspect of ourselves. Hence the gadgetry smothering a simple idea of just laying down, turning off the phone, and covering up with some comfortable blankets. In fact I think I'm going to go do that right now. Goodnight, HN. :)

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Post by vincentkriek »

maghis wrote: post #17
aw3c2 wrote: post #11

> SECURE AND PRIVATE > Luna is completely secure and uses public key cryptography. Its security features include HTTPS, SSL, and 128-bit encryption. What does a mattress need HTTPS for when it is private? Something does not add up there for me. edit: Sorry, I missed the mobile phone controller etc. So I guess this does not phone home?

It does, but no raw data are sent, most of the aggregation happens on the device. We upload sleep patterns, average values for some sensors (temp/humidity, ambient light) and major events (loud sound or quick change in ambient light). We use those data for historical data analysis on the server side. The cloud service relays commands to the cover when your phone is not connected to your wifi too (you can warm up your…

It would be awesome if you could disable the sending of any data to your cloud. I wish more products were self contained and wouldn't need to use a server side component. If there is sufficient storage in the mattress, a mobile phone could do the calculations when the user wants it, without anyone else knowing.

You are not Google! Use that advantage!

Re: Luna – Hack your sleep

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Post by logn »

skwirl wrote: post #122
deanclatworthy wrote: post #46

My first instinct (being the geek that I am) upon seeing this was it looks great. And having lived in England the majority of my life, with cold houses and heating turned off at night - heated underblankets are a necessity. But as I read through the feature list, I couldn't help feel uncomfortable. Am I the only one that finds this deluge of technology into every aspect of our lives abhorrent? Every single day billio…

I don't understand why as someone in the technology world you would arbitrarily draw the line here. We've all been working on stuff that the world could do without. Why wouldn't you have drawn the line years ago when personal computers became a big thing?

The line is not arbitrary; it's nuanced. We're discussing replacing everyday objects with Internet Things that are designed as closed appliances, often monetizing the passive data that you, merely by living, create.

Building the Internet of Things is different from what many of us do which is creating technological toys, digital tools, automated business processes, knowledge bases, communications tools, and digital publications. To offset the enormous costs of these types of works, people pioneered monetization of data we presumed to be private, in many cases. We've made this bed and now, with Internet of Things, we literally will lie in it.

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