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“I got an email from Chase saying that all our assets are frozen”

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Re: “I got an email from Chase saying that all our assets are frozen”

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If you're wondering (like I was) why MA thinks this guy owes anything at all, it's buried in the middle: "Again, I hadn't lived there or worked there since 2003, but I did own part of a business that was headquartered in MA, and the state was using this fact to harass me for income tax money." So is the MA tax bill based on the profits of that business, or is the state just using it to say "you should pay all your in…

Also possible that this could be related to his sale of Ars Technica. Massachusetts imposes its own capital gains tax, and he may have been liable for a significant portion of that, especially given that it sounds like it was MA domiciled. Or maybe not, but there's lots of ways that he could be legitimately liable for MA taxes while living in a different state.

Sounds to me like his beef could be with the Chicago CPA. CPAs are not created equal, and even the big 4 accounting firms make serious mistakes when things get complicated - has happened to me. Usually, when that happens, the CPA is responsible for fixing the problem (paying late fees, filings, etc.), but you're still liable for the underlying tax burden that they may have missed.

In any case, would be nice to know what the resolution was!

Re: “I got an email from Chase saying that all our assets are frozen”

#52
I've had something similar to this happen with another state agency (not the state in which by business is incorporated). We had opened a tax account in another state as we intended to convert a contractor to an FTE, but we ended up terminating the worker's contract. Time passes, and Chase processes a levy on behalf of a collections agency authorized to collect for the state department of revenue. They had automatically been calculating tax owed for one FTE, even though we had never filed a statement indicating we were withholding. Then fees, interest, penalties, etc. added up and it made for a very bad day or two here.

It took a few calls between us, Chase and the state agency, and a simple form to get the levy order rescinded before Chase fulfilled it (30 days after their receipt, for most such orders). Our funds were released within minutes of calling them to confirm that the state sent them a fax rescinding the levy order.

I've heard numerous horror stories about dealing with Chase on matters like this. I didn't find those stories to be true, in our case. I suspect the author either handled it (one would hope), or closed his tax account and chalked it up to lessons learned (a regrettable, but understandable decision to avoid further anguish and just "be done with it").

Re: “I got an email from Chase saying that all our assets are frozen”

#53
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what civil asset forfeiture is for. That's drug money you got there you see. (Never mind that if word gets out you will get robbed.)

that's what bitcoin is for. A cold wallet, encrypted and backed up in multiple places would solve that problem.

That's a great way of getting robbed even without anyone needing to take your money, you would be effectively giving it away.

For example, the closing price exactly one year ago today was $880. Yesterday it was $248. So if you had $20,000 in savings and put them into Bitcoin, you'd have $5,636 now. What a wonderful savings account a 75% loss...

I swear the only reason people keep suggesting Bitcoin as an "investment" is because it is a pyramid scheme and they themselves are already deeply in the red, and see bringing in others as their only saviour.

Re: “I got an email from Chase saying that all our assets are frozen”

#54

I've had something similar to this happen with another state agency (not the state in which by business is incorporated). We had opened a tax account in another state as we intended to convert a contractor to an FTE, but we ended up terminating the worker's contract. Time passes, and Chase processes a levy on behalf of a collections agency authorized to collect for the state department of revenue. They had automatica…

Noticed the author's complaint at the end about recovering the funds. No massive legal fees are necessary to recover them if the agency rescinds the levy. Just a fairly simple request for refund. I think he, like many in this situation, got indignant and had a flame-out emotional response. The lack of follow up suggests that it wasn't ultimately as big of a deal as he thought, IMHO.

Re: “I got an email from Chase saying that all our assets are frozen”

#56
So random that this has popped up now. I should post an update, but I can do a quick one here. This is resolved, but here are the bullet points of what happened and what I learned:

- All of my assets were not frozen. 99% of our assets are with Barclays, and we just use Chase so that we can have a local checking account. (Barclays doesn't do that in the US.) So everything tied to Chase and our credit cards were frozen because of the tax lien.

- The source of the problem was my former CPA. He just screwed up. He's a nice guy who does a solid business in the decent-sized midwestern city where he's located, but for whatever reason of inattenion and/or lack of good enough training/information, he had me file in the wrong state. He also doesn't have any insurance (not required where he practices), so if MA hadn't been cool about waiving penalties and interest it may not have been possible for me to recover that from him by the time I paid legal fees, etc.

- I got a great MA tax lawyer (Philip S. Olsen, now of Burns and Levinson), and he worked with the Mass. tax authorities to help them understand that I wasn't some seedy tax dodger and that this was the fault of my CPA.

Now, here's what I learned:

- Ask your CPA if he or she has insurance, and for how much. Don't be shy, because this kind of thing could happen to you. And don't think that just because various professionals and bigwigs in town use them, that they're either not going to make a mistake or that they have insurance.

- There is no bank or credit union, no matter how foreign or local, that would not have frozen my assets in response to the merest hint of a request from MA. Every financial institution in the world is going to roll over for a state government like that, and leave you to sort out of if the request was legit or not. There's no place to hide. So Chase isn't actually the bad guy here.

- MA isn't really the bad guy either. The states are strapped for cash, and they're turning over every stone for revenue. What caught my CPA was a wrinkle in the tax law about where to file that for decades many CPAs ignored because the states didn't have the ability to find and go after such things. (MA was claiming that I owed "Massachusetts-sourced income" because Ars Technica LLC was technically headquartered in Malden.) But in today's world of desperate state governments and networked databases, no CPA can afford to be lazy about anything. To their credit, MA let me re-file and did not penalize. I had to pay state taxes twice for that year, though, because IL's books were closed for 2007 and they refused to even consider giving me back the money I erroneously paid them.

- This stuff drags out. While our assets were unfrozen pretty quickly, it was the first week of this month that I finally got a letter from MA telling me that the tax lien was officially lifted and that I'm in the clear.

- There is no statute of limitations on taxes. If they find something from literally 20 years ago, they can load it up with penalties and interest and absolutely crush you. So see the point above about making sure your CPA has a platinum-plated insurance policy.

Re: “I got an email from Chase saying that all our assets are frozen”

#57

So random that this has popped up now. I should post an update, but I can do a quick one here. This is resolved, but here are the bullet points of what happened and what I learned: - All of my assets were not frozen. 99% of our assets are with Barclays, and we just use Chase so that we can have a local checking account. (Barclays doesn't do that in the US.) So everything tied to Chase and our credit cards were frozen…

On the last point, if the CPA retired 10 years ago, and some state government (e.g. CA) comes after you, does the CPA's insurance still work?

Re: “I got an email from Chase saying that all our assets are frozen”

#59

The author mentions he keeps his money in a foreign bank that I presume the MA department of revenue cannot get at. Does anyone have any recommendations of overseas banks that are easy to open accounts with without travelling to said country.

See my above comment. It was just luck that they didn't get to the Barclays money, and yeah that's probably also because Barclays is foreign that the luck happened. But I wouldn't count on that. If I hadn't moved quickly to hire a good tax lawyer and then contact MA and start working on a resolution, they'd have found and frozen our Barclays assets eventually.

Re: “I got an email from Chase saying that all our assets are frozen”

#60

So random that this has popped up now. I should post an update, but I can do a quick one here. This is resolved, but here are the bullet points of what happened and what I learned: - All of my assets were not frozen. 99% of our assets are with Barclays, and we just use Chase so that we can have a local checking account. (Barclays doesn't do that in the US.) So everything tied to Chase and our credit cards were frozen…

On the last point, if the CPA retired 10 years ago, and some state government (e.g. CA) comes after you, does the CPA's insurance still work?

No idea. I thought of that question right after I posted it, as well. I'm assuming it does, but I should look into that. Like, if he quits paying the premium, does it just go away and then you're still screwed?
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