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PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Re: PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Post by walterbell »

coliveira wrote: post #119
netcan wrote: post #95

I have an old kobo e-reader that's been in flight mode since day 1. It's amazing the difference I feel between reading on a tablet and an ereader. The ereader doesn't really feel like a "device," more like a book. On a tablet, I'm googling (Can you really ride from Winterfell to Kings Landing in a week? How fast do ravens fly? Lets see what the internet thinks.). They might be related to the book. They might not. Ema…

I noticed that reading on a tablet with reverse colors (black background) has some of the same effect as e-ink. Since I started doing this I feel it is much easier to concentrate on the book. It is probably the fact that you're less exposed to light, even though you never get a completely black screen on a tablet.

Yes, triple-click the home button on iOS.

An OLED screen would be a truer black, since the pixels are turned on/off individually, with no backlight. The new Dell "world's thinnest" 8" tablet with 350 PPI OLED for $399 looks promising, http://www.androidcentral.com/dell-venue-8-7840-qhd-display-...

Re: PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Post by pvidler »

ekianjo wrote: post #34
vijucat wrote: post #21

Impressive refresh rate! I'd love to try using an IDE such as Eclipse on such a screen. I suppose IDEs can have an e-ink mode where instead of colors, they use multiple fonts, italics, bold fonts, and other decorators to highlight syntax.

> Impressive refresh rate! Yeah, and apparently no need to go to the black state required on current e-ink screens?

Apart from the point in the first video when they click on a link and you can still see the smudge of the text column on the newly cleared screen. A close look at the text column while scrolling makes it look dirty compared to the rest of the screen as well.

Re: PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Post by z0r »

peatmoss wrote: post #108
headmelted wrote: post #45

I'd love to eventually see a low-end Chromebook built around one of these displays. You're already volunteering for a limited experience in exchange for convenience there, and I can see the battery life outweighing the negatives with the display. (And you probably have a phone or tablet with a higher resolution screen in your pocket/bag/whatever anyway.) Obviously it's cost prohibitive right now, but as throwawaymsft…

Emacs, a tiling window manager, a low-powered processor, and lots of RAM in a 2-in-1 form factor e-Ink device is pretty much my dream machine. Sadly, I am a tiny and ignored market segment.

Someday soon we'll be able to order ourselves one-off machines like this (or any way we like). At least that's my hope

Re: PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Post by KaiserPro »

minthd wrote: post #77
KaiserPro wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you have a rubbish backlight, I don't see how an LCD panel can flicker? (actually I can see why, turn of dynamic contrast, and crank the brightness up, turn off energy saving. That'll stop the PWN on the backlight) The refresh rate of a panel is not what it can display, the only real practical effect is on screen tearing. (I worked for a VFX company, trust me I've tested it.) Even really fast displays take 5 m…

I'm talking about the PWM, and if you need to use PWM at 100% , for some it would be much too bright.There are some options to correct it(contrast, or apps like flux), but they usually really hurt color reproduction.And sometimes even them don't lower brightness enough.

If you stick with HP zr range of monitors, you'll not have that problem

Re: PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Post by jobigoud »

totalrobe wrote: post #116
netcan wrote: post #95

I have an old kobo e-reader that's been in flight mode since day 1. It's amazing the difference I feel between reading on a tablet and an ereader. The ereader doesn't really feel like a "device," more like a book. On a tablet, I'm googling (Can you really ride from Winterfell to Kings Landing in a week? How fast do ravens fly? Lets see what the internet thinks.). They might be related to the book. They might not. Ema…

I was thinking this would be fantastic for reading textbooks or code documentation. My eyes get fatigued after reading for any length on a tablet or lcd, but a traditional ebook reader is far too slow and small for scanning through textbooks.

I read textbooks on my Kobo Aura HD all the time. I upgraded from a Kobo Glo exactly for that purpose.

I would like it even bigger so that research papers in PDF could all be full page without panning. Textbooks in epub are good. Allowed me to finally leave all paper books behind.

Re: PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Post by aguki »

4ad wrote: post #62

I wanted a display like this for years. In fact, I even did a lot of research to build my own. The biggest hurdle was getting a manufacturer to sell me a big-enough panel at reasonable cost. Absolutely nobody wanted to do anything less than 1k units (understandable, I guess), and I wanted only a few units. I hope they will make larger versions too. The refresh rate on this display is pretty impressive, but I would be…

> I wanted a display like this for years. In fact, I even did a lot of research to build my own. The biggest hurdle was getting a manufacturer to sell me a big-enough panel at reasonable cost. Absolutely nobody wanted to do anything less than 1k units (understandable, I guess), and I wanted only a few units.

This guy claiming access to 13.3" panels, and he quoted me $2800 for a single 13.3" dev kit along SDK when I PMed him several months back.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hwstartups/comments/2e5o61/i_have_e...

Re: PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Post by metamet »

peatmoss wrote: post #108
headmelted wrote: post #45

I'd love to eventually see a low-end Chromebook built around one of these displays. You're already volunteering for a limited experience in exchange for convenience there, and I can see the battery life outweighing the negatives with the display. (And you probably have a phone or tablet with a higher resolution screen in your pocket/bag/whatever anyway.) Obviously it's cost prohibitive right now, but as throwawaymsft…

Emacs, a tiling window manager, a low-powered processor, and lots of RAM in a 2-in-1 form factor e-Ink device is pretty much my dream machine. Sadly, I am a tiny and ignored market segment.

Cool technology like this feels cyclical. Now we want what seems like a fancy graphing calculator.

Re: PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Post by tracker1 »

netcan wrote: post #95

I have an old kobo e-reader that's been in flight mode since day 1. It's amazing the difference I feel between reading on a tablet and an ereader. The ereader doesn't really feel like a "device," more like a book. On a tablet, I'm googling (Can you really ride from Winterfell to Kings Landing in a week? How fast do ravens fly? Lets see what the internet thinks.). They might be related to the book. They might not. Ema…

I think it's a great idea for secondary information... however, I just don't retain what I read as well on an electronic display (e-ink or lcd) as I do a real, physical book. I have a photographic memory, and it's probably the physical size of a book, and the position of the page in the larger whole just ads a little more context that makes it easier to remember. I don't typically remember the text, so much as an image of the words on a page, and roughly where in the book something was.

As much as I value being able to access things electronically, I tend to spend 2-3 hours a day reading on sites like this, or blogs... just the same, I find a lot of value in a physical book when getting into something new, and hope they don't go away altogether for technology books.

Re: PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Post by metamet »

frozenport wrote: post #12
shna wrote: post #7

After a long day at work, I get home with my eyes "burned". I sit on the couch and the ceiling lamp hurts my eyes. I turn it off and can only stand the dim light. I think this monitor is perfect for people like me. (Recently started using f.lux, it's helping though)

Probably won't help. We can be scientific about this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22762257 RESULTS: Results suggested that reading on the two display types is very similar in terms of both subjective and objective measures. CONCLUSIONS: It is not the technology itself, but rather the image quality that seems crucial for reading. Compared to the visual display units used in the previous few decades, these more…

This doesn't mention anything about the light promoting wakefulness, but rather simply assesses levels of comprehension: "These dependent measures included subjective (visual) fatigue, a letter search task, reading speed, oculomotor behaviour and the pupillary light reflex."

Staring at a light producing screen all day then not staring at one could still be a good move.

Re: PaperLike: 13.3″ E Ink Monitor by Dasung Tech

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Post by mark-r »

dcosson wrote: post #109
lhl wrote: post #37

A few years ago I used to pine for an E-Ink (or later, a Mirasol) display so that I could have sunlight-visible portable computing, but sadly the iPad basically wiped that market away. While the standalone monitor is neat, I think the biggest use-case would still be for a portable/outdoor terminal. That being said, with MEMS-IGZO devices finally coming from Sharp/Qualcomm (Pixtronix) this year (they've been showing i…

I'd really love to see a thin e-ink screen that you could place in front of a regular laptop screen. That way you wouldn't even have to switch devices you could just grab your regular laptop and go work outside in the sun for a few hours.

So kind of the way ink on paper adds black to make CMYK, the screen would add black to make RGBK? That would be awesome! I wonder how hard it would be to line up two independent displays? They'd need to be pixel perfect.
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