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First U.S. Bitcoin Exchange Set to Open

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Re: First U.S. Bitcoin Exchange Set to Open

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Does this exchange offer insurance against catastrophic insolvency?

Someone went from millionaire to poor overnight when Mt. Gox failed, so it's a real concern. No one should keep their coins in any wallet except their own, and they need to make sure they have the technical understanding of how to properly manage their wallet. If your personal wallet isn't encrypted and backed up, it's not managed properly.

If you want to store coins on someone's exchange or webwallet, never store more than 25% of what you're comfortable with losing. (It turns out that "what you're comfortable with losing" is way, way more than the reality of waking up one day and realizing you've lost it all.)

This is an interesting move, but I'm worried that these new exchanges will increase the attack surface of Bitcoin's reputation. If the new ones fail, it will shake the public's confidence in Bitcoin yet again. Not that that matters, since Bitcoin seems to go along fine whether or not people are confident in it.

I don't know whether it would even be possible to insure against losing all cold storage reserves, but nobody should trust large sums to any webwallet (including Coinbase's current website, BTC-e, Bitstamp, etc) until protection against that worst-case scenario is in place.

EDIT: From the paywalled article:

The exchange could bring needed legitimacy to the currency, which isn’t backed by a central government and is traded over virtual exchanges, primarily overseas. Coinbase said it has insurance, offering traders some assurance that their money won’t disappear.

Until details about this insurance are released, do not trust large sums to Coinbase or anyone else. And unless the insurance protects against every coin disappearing tomorrow, never trust them at all. Trusting them is equivalent to gambling your savings for no benefit.

Re: First U.S. Bitcoin Exchange Set to Open

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Does this exchange offer insurance against catastrophic insolvency? Someone went from millionaire to poor overnight when Mt. Gox failed, so it's a real concern. No one should keep their coins in any wallet except their own, and they need to make sure they have the technical understanding of how to properly manage their wallet. If your personal wallet isn't encrypted and backed up, it's not managed properly. If you wa…

"No one should keep their coins in any wallet except their own"

That's just not going to fly if Bitcoin becomes mainstream. There's too much dogmatism around this in the Bitcoin community. Sometimes a hosted wallet is the right solution for a particular user.

Re: First U.S. Bitcoin Exchange Set to Open

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"As is typical of most bitcoin/fiat intermediaries when promoting their products, the new exchange is being touted as a first and a means to bring legitimacy to Bitcoin." - Qntra. We've heard that story many times before. Kraken makes similar claims. (Kraken uses the same address, 548 Market St, SF, as Coinbase. It's a mail-forwarding service. Few people know where either exchange really is.)

So what is this "licensed" thing? "Licensed" by whom? The US SEC? The State of New York? Some other state? FinCen.

There have been many exchanges registered with FinCen, the anti-money-laundering regulator, including Mt. Gox. That provides no investor protection. A few have been licensed as state money transmitters. That may provide some investor protection. Nobody as yet has been licensed as a broker, dealer, or exchange with the Securities and Exchange Commission, something every stockbroker and dealer in the US has to do.

Being licensed as a broker/dealer means SIPC insurance for investors up to $500K per customer, FINRA supervision (they fine a few brokers every month), outside audits, exams for personnel (even the people in a call center have to pass an exam, so they know what they can and can't do) and exams top management (yes, even top management at a brokerage has to pass an exam).

There are significant advantages for being a real broker/dealer. You can plug into the financial system at a higher level, and moving money around becomes much easier.

An existing broker/dealer could set up a market in Bitcoin if they wanted to. So far, no one has bothered.

When a Bitcoin exchange gets licensed by the SEC, let us know. Until then, it's just hype.

Edit: the article says they claim to be licensed in California. Here's the list of money transmitters licensed in California: http://www.dbo.ca.gov/Licensees/money_transmitters/money_tra... Not seeing Coinbase on the list. Silicon Valley names on the list include Google, Square, AirBnb, Xoom, Paypal, Intuit, etc. No Coinbase, or anything in SF that looks like it might be them.

Re: First U.S. Bitcoin Exchange Set to Open

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Does this exchange offer insurance against catastrophic insolvency? Someone went from millionaire to poor overnight when Mt. Gox failed, so it's a real concern. No one should keep their coins in any wallet except their own, and they need to make sure they have the technical understanding of how to properly manage their wallet. If your personal wallet isn't encrypted and backed up, it's not managed properly. If you wa…

"No one should keep their coins in any wallet except their own" That's just not going to fly if Bitcoin becomes mainstream. There's too much dogmatism around this in the Bitcoin community. Sometimes a hosted wallet is the right solution for a particular user.

It's not about whether it's going to fly. It's certifiably insane to trust your coins to any third party unless you either have multisig control to prevent those coins from leaving, or they have insurance to replace your coins. Do not ever trust anyone, or you'll lose your money like I did. They won't replace it unless they're legally obligated to replace it (insurance) or they're technically incapable of losing it (multisig).

Anything else is magical thinking at its most dangerous, since it can ruin lives.

Re: First U.S. Bitcoin Exchange Set to Open

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Does anyone have a non-paywalled version of the story handy?

An easy way to get around the paywall is to search for this headline on Google and click a link from the results.

or take the URL and prepend it with the search operator "site:"

site:http://www.wsj.com/articles/first-u-s-bitcoin-exchange-set-t...

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