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Re: Poll: How many HN readers are believers?

#21
There is no God.

My parents come from different religious backgrounds, my father was raised as a Lutheran while my mother as a Kardecist. Neither cared a lot about their religions, so while they tried to give me the general notions of their religions I was free to make my own mind.

So, having no pressure to follow my parents beliefs, and founding no logic reason or need for the existence of a God, I found myself an Atheist.

I can't believe on it because I can't find any logical reason to do so.

Also, knowing how much evil was done in the name of religion I came to have a strong opinion against the notion of faith. I really think religious faith, that is, believing without proof, is a disease that must be eradicated. No good that came from it justifies all the bad things that came along.

Re: Poll: How many HN readers are believers?

#22
There may well be a god, even a judeo-christian style one. He might even have a beard.

But there isn't enough rational evidence for one. Even supposedly rational arguments like Intelligent Design fall laughably short, arguing that life is too complex and sophisticated not to have been created by something even more complex and sophisticated.

My take is that anyone who does 'believe' is either doing so out of cognitive dissonance, for emotional/psychological reasons, or just plain-old fear of being stoned to death (figuratively or literally depending on where you live).

Apologies to anyone offended. Just an opinion.

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#23

An actual poll seems to be missing here, so I'll just add my comment. I am a practicing Mormon (member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints), and do in fact believe in God and the specific doctrines of my religions. I go to church every Sunday, pray and read the scriptures regularly, and plenty of other things besides. The majority of tech people I know in person are also religious, although I am very w…

Interesting. I've been raised a Muslim in a predominantly Muslim country, and I agree with most of what you're saying..

>Education in general strengthens my resolve that my religion is largely ascientific (not non-scientific, but rather outside the realm of applicability for scientific investigation).

Yes. There's a distinction that I've found not many people make. The prefix "a" doesn't seem to be easily grasped, it seems. I know it's semantics, but it changes the meaning.

Immoral and amoral aren't the same. Some people also confuse atheism and agnosticism.

And what you're saying makes sense: Since you can't prove either the existence or lack thereof, it is silly to mock those who believe (what many atheists do) or those who don't (what many theists do).

I won't say I'm a religiously observant person (lifestyle), but I'm not insensible to religion.

I think Prophets lived in a time where it wasn't enough to make a sex-tape to get that kind of following: They had a product people wanted really badly.

What product can brag of being thousands of years old and still affecting billions of peoples after the founder and most original staff are gone.

Furthermore, I'm interested in religions' shared values: If you Venn diagram religions' values, you'll end up with "Being a decent human being".

To my knowledge, no religion preaches killing, stealing, cheating, etc.

Religions I know of actually elevate the value of work (and perfecting what you do), to being clean and taking care of yourself, to such a high place as to be equivalent to prayer (Islam, and also Judaism if I recall correctly).

Again, I find it amusing when supposedly "logical" people scoff at those who are religious as being "illogical": How logical can you be if you're using Hungarian notation.

How "scientific" can someone who claims to be, be, when they assert that God doesn't exist simply because there's no proof (anyone who follows even a mildly scientific method (if one can) knows that the lack of proof of the existence of something isn't a proof of its non existence.. Implication being abused, black swans, etc).

And vice-versa: You can't accuse someone of being illogical if they don't "believe" in something they can't prove. If it were proved (either exists or not), it wouln't be called "believe", but "know".

I also think that if you plot intelligence versus theism, you get a Gaussian distribution: Extremes represent hard-core atheists and hard-core religious people, who use the same stuff (mocking and ridiculing) the "others".

I stick to being good. Leaving people better than we met them. Sleeping better than we woke up.

Anyway, back to coding.. and making better code than I made yesterday.

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So here's also my answer - I believe in God, I was raised in Catholic environment but lately I stopped going to Church - I've lost faith in Church as a place & organization and started to believe that by being just the good person for other people (& world environment) will be enough to achieve redemption - and I believe God is generous enough to respect my way of 'believing'.

The church is the corporation of religion, using religion to bend the will of man and keep power. I know it sound harsh, but I spend a lot of time in the Philippines where the church has way to much power and people suffer because of it, contraception, sexual education, divorce etc. Families do it tough here, but some dude at the front of an alter decides a lot of the rules.

However on the other hand even though I am not religious myself, I see nothing wrong with faith. Especially faith which someone challenges themselves.

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#25
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I'm an MSc student in IT/software engineering, and I am a practicing and believing Roman Catholic. Some of the main reasons for this is - having recognized that the teachings are consistent with my embedded worldview and ethical code - a perception that living according to these teachings is much more beautiful, much less likely to hurt others or get hurt myself, mostly free from anger and bitterness, etc. The often…

> much less likely to hurt others The Catholic rules on abortion are cruel and cause very great harm to women. A woman was raped in her home country. She left that country and sought asylum in Ireland. She discovered that she was pregnant and sought an abortion. Abortion is only possible in Ireland if the mother's life is at risk. She was suicidal, and the two psychiatrists needed agreed that her life was at risk. Th…

Rape is a difficult case.

First of all, I am glad to hear that you want to talk about the difficult cases because it means that you are okay with Catholic teaching in non-rape cases.

With regards to rape, ultimately is comes down to the fact that the child that arises from the rape should not be punished for the sins of the father. Catholic teaching respects the human being and sees the bigger picture.

What is wonderful is that if you want to understand what the Catholic Church teaches anyone can consult the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) which can be found at: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM . The specific page that you are interested in is: http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/c...

So, you can review the CCC to see what the Catholic Church actually teaches but in asking what anyone think you are getting their opinion and NOT necessarily what the Church teaches.

Finally, you selected a single tragic instance of a rape victim. I think you need to research and follow up with rape victims who have had an abortion and who later regret it. For example: http://www.lifenews.com/2013/05/06/13-year-old-rape-victim-r...

Regards

Re: Poll: How many HN readers are believers?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> much less likely to hurt others The Catholic rules on abortion are cruel and cause very great harm to women. A woman was raped in her home country. She left that country and sought asylum in Ireland. She discovered that she was pregnant and sought an abortion. Abortion is only possible in Ireland if the mother's life is at risk. She was suicidal, and the two psychiatrists needed agreed that her life was at risk. Th…

Rape is a difficult case. First of all, I am glad to hear that you want to talk about the difficult cases because it means that you are okay with Catholic teaching in non-rape cases. With regards to rape, ultimately is comes down to the fact that the child that arises from the rape should not be punished for the sins of the father. Catholic teaching respects the human being and sees the bigger picture. What is wonder…

> First of all, I am glad to hear that you want to talk about the difficult cases because it means that you are okay with Catholic teaching in non-rape cases.

No, it very much does not. The fact that your failed to comprehend this is telling.

For clarity: the Catholic Church routinely abuses human rights. Sometimes this is a direct result of proclamations from the Pope and thus a core part of the religion (eg use of contraception); sometimes this is because of the structure of the church (eg routine physical and emotional abuse of looked after children; transfering child-abusing priests from one area to a different area).

Parent claimed that following the teachings of the Catholic church made them less cruel. This is a weird position to hold considering the very great harm the Catholic church has perpetuated, even in recent years.

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Everyone has their own ways of thinking and believing. Once you start to get rid of the labels — agnostic, atheist and believer — you can really listen to others. I’ve met far too many people who called themselves one way and later understood how unfitting was such label to their assumptions.

Unfortunately, the quest for the true nature of the universe has been reduced to Scriptures and the yes/no question "Do you believe in God?". The human mind is biased toward dualism, so it feels natural to talk about something as a competition of two mutually exclusive arguments.

Another issue I have with belief == religion is merging morality and the Truth. Religion delivers both in one convenient package. However, they are not necessarily bundled together. I love Jesus Christ's teachings but I'm not Christian.

Truth is, many of our predecessors treated religion with much more self-inquiry than strict believers do today. Biblical literalism was not a given. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism

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#28
I choose to believe in God; I don't have proof, but I like to believe. It makes life easier and in my case doesn't seem to have any ill effects. Even with everything we have learned through science, there still seems to be room for God. We don't seem to have any way to know what caused the universe to form, and I'd just as soon postulate an eternal God as an eternal universe even if it doesn't follow Occam's razor.

Re: Poll: How many HN readers are believers?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> much less likely to hurt others The Catholic rules on abortion are cruel and cause very great harm to women. A woman was raped in her home country. She left that country and sought asylum in Ireland. She discovered that she was pregnant and sought an abortion. Abortion is only possible in Ireland if the mother's life is at risk. She was suicidal, and the two psychiatrists needed agreed that her life was at risk. Th…

Do you have a link to the story in your first paragraph? I would like to read it in detail. Sexual orientation and contraception are two very serious issues which I feel greatly underqualified to form global opinions about. The situation in Ireland seems to me like a misunderstanding of the Catholic teachings, given that AFAIK the teachings are meant to be followed in one's personal life because of one's personal fai…

> Do you have a link to the story in your first paragraph? I would like to read it in detail.

Here are a few:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/18/ireland-woman-f...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/17/ireland-woman-f...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/irelands-refusal...

This link appears to have clearer details: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/woman-in-abortion-case...

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