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LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug? (2006)

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Re: LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug? (2006)

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Post by lomnakkus »

anonbanker wrote: post #74
olefoo wrote: post #21

Is it the same six people that keep posting this every 6 to 12 weeks on here? The usual caveats apply: 1. lsd is illegal, so no quality control and no certainty that that is what you are ingesting. 2. lsd was and is a mythological drug in every sense of the word. Nothing you know about it is true either to the good or to the bad. 3. Just because there are 5 decades of propaganda about the evils of lsd does not mean t…

This bit of fear, uncertainty, and doubt was brought to you by the Institute For Armchair Psychonauts Who Never Use Drugs.

I'm sorry, I don't quite get what you're trying to say. Are you saying that using/taking drugs is a prerequisite for talking about drugs (and drug use in general)?

If so: That's total nonsense and an unbelievably unscientific attitude.

Re: LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug? (2006)

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Post by Lambdanaut »

avodonosov wrote: post #103

My friend and university classmate - a kind of wounderkind. He was accepted to university without exams, because he had great results on programming olympics. Turned out he was also good at chemistry. When he was around 8 his mother arranged him to take chemistry classes with elder schoolchildren. But he dropped the classes because he was borred - he already knew everything taught there. In university he tried drugs…

You are fear-mongering and your argument is pure pathos. If the guy was cooking, he probably wasn't doing LSD at the time of death. LSD is notoriously difficult to homebrew and it was more likely he was doing something that we actually have reason to believe is bad for you.

All drugs aren't the same and blanketing them all as negative because somebody died on a specific drug is ridiculous.

Re: LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug? (2006)

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Post by quonn »

avodonosov wrote: post #103

My friend and university classmate - a kind of wounderkind. He was accepted to university without exams, because he had great results on programming olympics. Turned out he was also good at chemistry. When he was around 8 his mother arranged him to take chemistry classes with elder schoolchildren. But he dropped the classes because he was borred - he already knew everything taught there. In university he tried drugs…

I know this is not the main point of your post, but the part that I feel I can comment on:

> I also have evidence the "inspiration" whe[n] you [are] on drugs is false, and actually it's more like a delirium.

What does that mean, "false"? The way some of us usually perceive reality might not be true either. Just ask someone suffering from serious depression. It's often a problem of perspective, but they can't simply change that. Being stuck in a particular view also applies to most ordinary people, although this does not necessarily cause suffering. The people who claim LSD is mind-expanding refer to just this: That it might allow you to make such a change of perspective that you otherwise can't.

(I don't mean to say drugs are the way to go if your depressed, by the way. Maybe try meditation.)

Re: LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug? (2006)

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Post by adityasankar »

avodonosov wrote: post #103

My friend and university classmate - a kind of wounderkind. He was accepted to university without exams, because he had great results on programming olympics. Turned out he was also good at chemistry. When he was around 8 his mother arranged him to take chemistry classes with elder schoolchildren. But he dropped the classes because he was borred - he already knew everything taught there. In university he tried drugs…

If true, this story is heartbreaking, sorry for your loss. It may be insensitive to suggest this, but there may have been several other factors that contributed to this tragedy, not only LSD. Vilifying the chemical substance isn't the answer here, the same way cars aren't to blame for crashes. Sure, you may not want to take LSD based on your friends experience, but there are several other people in the world who have had positive experiences who will need better convincing.

Re: LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug? (2006)

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Post by g0v »

I've been interested in trying LSD since my friend offered but am hesitant because I don't know how it will interact with my medication (SSRIs).

On a side note, I do like to smoke weed while I'm studying/coding. Things that were not so easily apparent to me before being high often become a given and understanding concepts comes more naturally. It's easier for me to picture in my head how data is being manipulated and where it's going in memory. My skills are only at an intermediate level so this is really helpful when I'm trying to learn more advanced stuff.

Re: LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug? (2006)

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Post by eof »

avodonosov wrote: post #103

My friend and university classmate - a kind of wounderkind. He was accepted to university without exams, because he had great results on programming olympics. Turned out he was also good at chemistry. When he was around 8 his mother arranged him to take chemistry classes with elder schoolchildren. But he dropped the classes because he was borred - he already knew everything taught there. In university he tried drugs…

Although that is a sad story, the story itself shows he was cognizant of what he was doing. I think very few people would argue LSD or any drug at all (caffeine included) are harmless in the strictest sense of the word.

But perhaps the potential benefits vs the realistic risks are a good enough investment for some people to make.

Hallucinogens are deeply intertwined with human culture; "promoting drugs" is such a silly idea. It's like "promoting eating".. people are going to do it, period.

Being cognizant of the risks, and honest about the benefits is the only way to truly reduce the harm of drugs in general.

Fear mongering, blanket statements, anti-drug cultural, none of that will ever quench what appears to be an innate human thirst for mind-altering substances.

To accept this as true (which any cursory look at history will show to be the case), is the only way to ever move forward with drug use/abuse.

Re: LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug? (2006)

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Post by anonbanker »

lomnakkus wrote: post #111
anonbanker wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This bit of fear, uncertainty, and doubt was brought to you by the Institute For Armchair Psychonauts Who Never Use Drugs.

I'm sorry, I don't quite get what you're trying to say. Are you saying that using/taking drugs is a prerequisite for talking about drugs (and drug use in general)? If so: That's total nonsense and an unbelievably unscientific attitude.

Yeah, calling someone out on FUD is definitely unscientific. Thanks for that.

Re: LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug? (2006)

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Post by eof »

g0v wrote: post #115

I've been interested in trying LSD since my friend offered but am hesitant because I don't know how it will interact with my medication (SSRIs). On a side note, I do like to smoke weed while I'm studying/coding. Things that were not so easily apparent to me before being high often become a given and understanding concepts comes more naturally. It's easier for me to picture in my head how data is being manipulated and…

SSRIs are known to reduce the effects of hallucinogens.

LSD, and hallucinogens in general are extremely useful in personal growth. The novelty of 'reality' literally breaking down can be quite a thrill; and for many people it will be the first time it has ever happened to them; though it can be incredibly frightening as well.

I have been around several people on various SSRIs while they have taken mushrooms or lsd (and one on DMT); it seemed to always be a non-issue.

This is probably a great place to start if you are truly interested and want to understand the risks: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_health3.shtml

Re: LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug? (2006)

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Post by pmoriarty »

avodonosov wrote: post #103

My friend and university classmate - a kind of wounderkind. He was accepted to university without exams, because he had great results on programming olympics. Turned out he was also good at chemistry. When he was around 8 his mother arranged him to take chemistry classes with elder schoolchildren. But he dropped the classes because he was borred - he already knew everything taught there. In university he tried drugs…

How many millions of people who never tried any drugs commited suicide?

How many people commited suicide after drinking a glass of milk, smoking a cigarette, or drinking a beer?

No doubt equally tragic stories could be told of many of them, but does it follow that milk, cigarettes, beer, or lack of drug use made them kill themselves?

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