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When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

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Re: When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

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This article seems to basically say its already illegal to prohibit employees from discussing pay (NLRA 1935) and it is certainly illegal to pay someone less based on race or sex (Equal Pay Act, and others) but the solution to wage discrimination is pass more laws that make it illegal-er. I have a hard time buying this argument. If you are an employer despicable enough to systematically be paying women less just for…

"Don't pay women less for being women" is unenforceable.

Re: When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

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post #19

On a recent contract I took, the end client told me what they were paying for my services -- about 6x what I was getting paid. They were pretty annoyed, and I was threatened with legal action for discussing financial matters with an end client. I haven't heard from either side since December, so I'm guessing that contract is pretty much dead.

I live in a country when employees are more protected, and my client told me: I'm ready to pay more so you get a higher salary.

I didn't get a higher salary and left a few weeks later, anyways service at BigCo (230000 names in the phone book) was not my thing, I blew everybody away in the IT department by showing them SVN (it was before git), they were commissioning the development of a custom versioning system.

Re: When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

#33
I'm currently working as a temp at a well-known institution. (I'm getting paid a healthy hourly rate for what would easily be a salaried position if I was on staff.) It's effectively freelancing, but I had to join an agency to satisfy this corporation's bureaucracy.

It's in my contract with the agency that the rate they pay me is confidential, to be discussed with no one. Is that also illegal?

Re: When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

#34

I work for a smaller software company (~25 employees) and basically manage all things IT (internal business IT and software development). I'm responsible for the IT budget, our software developer salaries are the single largest company "expense". When I started several years ago it came to my attention that the existing developers and IT staff were drastically underpaid (there was one other internal developer, an int…

A few more things:

Half the developers salaries are more than the managing partners salaries (although the managing partners get a bonus which then makes their annual income higher than anyone else in the company so long as the company does well).

When I tell the employees not to discuss salary I offer them a few things to say in case another coworker asks them. My first go to reply is "I consider my salary and finances to be private matters that I don't tend to share with others." or "We're coworkers, what good could possibly come from us talking about this? The only outcome is someone, you, me, or [boss/company] will be upset. Do we want to add drama and tension to our relationships?"

Re: When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

#35
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe this sometimes happens because women are less likely to counter-offer and negotiate during the hiring process. It sucks.

So does that mean that companies would favour women as they can be paid less?

Interesting question.

I think many, men and women, are still biased against women because they believe they are catty and dramatic or are afraid of increased legal issues (lawsuits). These are obviously not reality either and it too sucks.

Re: When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

#36
post #31

This article seems to basically say its already illegal to prohibit employees from discussing pay (NLRA 1935) and it is certainly illegal to pay someone less based on race or sex (Equal Pay Act, and others) but the solution to wage discrimination is pass more laws that make it illegal-er. I have a hard time buying this argument. If you are an employer despicable enough to systematically be paying women less just for…

"Don't pay women less for being women" is unenforceable.

Not true: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-20294633

Re: When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

#37

I work for a smaller software company (~25 employees) and basically manage all things IT (internal business IT and software development). I'm responsible for the IT budget, our software developer salaries are the single largest company "expense". When I started several years ago it came to my attention that the existing developers and IT staff were drastically underpaid (there was one other internal developer, an int…

I would like to see some kind of framework for people to discuss salaries, should we pay everybody the same? do group evaluation? live with the knowledge of disparity?

When I was a team leader, I didn't have a big disparity of salaries in my team, so I think I had it easy, but when you have a tester or a designer among developers, their salaries might be way different (testers are not engineers, and I have no idea of the rate for a designer actually).

Re: When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

#38

I'm currently working as a temp at a well-known institution. (I'm getting paid a healthy hourly rate for what would easily be a salaried position if I was on staff.) It's effectively freelancing, but I had to join an agency to satisfy this corporation's bureaucracy. It's in my contract with the agency that the rate they pay me is confidential, to be discussed with no one. Is that also illegal?

Probably depends on your jurisdiction. Some might say you're breaking your contract in doing so.

I wonder if you could get in trouble by disclosing that "I'm paid approximately between $25 and $30 per hour."

Re: When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

#39
post #19

On a recent contract I took, the end client told me what they were paying for my services -- about 6x what I was getting paid. They were pretty annoyed, and I was threatened with legal action for discussing financial matters with an end client. I haven't heard from either side since December, so I'm guessing that contract is pretty much dead.

As a contractor, you do not enjoy the same kinds of protection that an employee does. Nor is discussing pay with the end client equivalent to discussing it with a fellow employee. Maybe if you had been discussing it with fellow contractor it might match some of what the article was talking about.

I'm surprised that your contract did not include an NDA that prevented you from discussing this kind of information with the end client.

Re: When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

#40
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So does that mean that companies would favour women as they can be paid less?

Interesting question. I think many, men and women, are still biased against women because they believe they are catty and dramatic or are afraid of increased legal issues (lawsuits). These are obviously not reality either and it too sucks.

Is "women are less likely to counter-offer and negotiate during the hiring process" obviously not reality also?

(Serious question.)

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