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Re: Show HN: LibreBoard – An open-source clone of Trello

#31
It's so sad that such great work can bring so many negative repercussions just because the project creator's decided to blatantly rip off Trello's assets.

The project would be under such a different light had they decided style it themselves... I think they're so much better than this.

Re: Show HN: LibreBoard – An open-source clone of Trello

#32

While I love the idea of an open source tool that explores the same problems that Trello does and potentially even solves it in a very similar way, I have to admit that the exact look and feel being copied here seems like a blatant rip off. Am I off base? Can anyone speak to the copyright aspect of copying a solution and design so fully?

Even setting aside the legality of this rip, doesn't the ethical aspects of it bother anyone as well?

Designing a simple and functional UI is really hard. It takes ages to sift through possible options, discard the fluff, iterate over the details and while the end result is endearingly simple, it ends up fronting a shitload of sweat and tears. And then someone just waltzes in waving their Libre flag and the middle finger to lift the whole thing just as if it's a no big deal. I don't know about you, but this really pisses me off. This is as disrespectful as it gets towards people who did the original work and it also reflects really poorly on the O/S in general.

Re: Show HN: LibreBoard – An open-source clone of Trello

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post #12

While I love the idea of an open source tool that explores the same problems that Trello does and potentially even solves it in a very similar way, I have to admit that the exact look and feel being copied here seems like a blatant rip off. Am I off base? Can anyone speak to the copyright aspect of copying a solution and design so fully?

I'd love to hear from somebody who knows better, but my understanding is that the legal aspects of look-and-feel ripoffs have never been settled in court. In one sense, that doesn't matter. Trello has way more time and money, so I'm sure they can sue the LibreBoard people with enough vigor that the LibreBoard folks will decide it's much easier to come up with their own look. Whether or not LibreBoard could eventually…

Actually they were litigated as part of the Lotus v. Borland suit which a distant cousin of mine (same name, common ancestor is like 4 generations back) was involved in, I sometimes get inquiries)

[1] http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/int-p...

Re: Show HN: LibreBoard – An open-source clone of Trello

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a blatant imitation[1]. At the same time, the design is incredibly refined, so there's only so much room to move away from without making sacrifices solely for the sake of differentiation. EDIT: [1] According to a comment below, it's a straight-up copy of the CSS. That goes well beyond "blatant imitation."

Imitation is different than directly copying the CSS. They copied the CSS.

Oh snap. That is a whole different story.

Re: Show HN: LibreBoard – An open-source clone of Trello

#36

I love the idea of open source tools, but this goes way too far. This isn't just rebuilding a popular concept, this is taking code that was written by a for-profit company and blatantly stealing it. There's an important difference. The earlier versions of this repo still used the Trello logo. Trello's CSS is blatantly used, even using trellicons, the custom icon font created by Trello. The entire front-end is complet…

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Re: Show HN: LibreBoard – An open-source clone of Trello

#37

I love the idea of open source tools, but this goes way too far. This isn't just rebuilding a popular concept, this is taking code that was written by a for-profit company and blatantly stealing it. There's an important difference. The earlier versions of this repo still used the Trello logo. Trello's CSS is blatantly used, even using trellicons, the custom icon font created by Trello. The entire front-end is complet…

I'm on the fence on this one - I could argue either way (I could probably work a books worth of material).

However, I think it is interesting to note that the idea of "stealing" a design has been done for years. I just don't think many people do it to websites.

Examples - there are companies that bundle premade controls that look pretty darn close to the designs in paid software. Here is an example of one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYzjJHtldec

They may just wrap Windows API - but I've seen ribbon interfaces running on Windows 2K with VB6.

Even if one would argue that falls into "fair use" - consider two more examples:

Zelda Classic[1] - they used original artwork from the original Nintendo game and re-created the game on the PC

Mari0[2] - the original Mario but with portals (including level design and graphics)

Now from what I can tell - Nintendo doesn't shutdown/care about these people because they aren't making money off the games. But if these games aren't infringing on Nintendo's copyright - I don't know what would be.

[1] - http://armageddongames.net/showthread.php?96754-Zelda-Classi... [2] - http://stabyourself.net/mari0/

Re: Show HN: LibreBoard – An open-source clone of Trello

#38

I love the idea of open source tools, but this goes way too far. This isn't just rebuilding a popular concept, this is taking code that was written by a for-profit company and blatantly stealing it. There's an important difference. The earlier versions of this repo still used the Trello logo. Trello's CSS is blatantly used, even using trellicons, the custom icon font created by Trello. The entire front-end is complet…

There's nothing wrong with making something that looks very similar to Trello, though there is something wrong with using their CSS and icons. Why does it need to be a "creative spin"? The UI works well, so copy it (by writing your own implementation, of course).

Re: Show HN: LibreBoard – An open-source clone of Trello

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post #36

I love the idea of open source tools, but this goes way too far. This isn't just rebuilding a popular concept, this is taking code that was written by a for-profit company and blatantly stealing it. There's an important difference. The earlier versions of this repo still used the Trello logo. Trello's CSS is blatantly used, even using trellicons, the custom icon font created by Trello. The entire front-end is complet…

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No it doesn't. Short reply but there is literally nothing else to say.

Re: Show HN: LibreBoard – An open-source clone of Trello

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post #8

While I love the idea of an open source tool that explores the same problems that Trello does and potentially even solves it in a very similar way, I have to admit that the exact look and feel being copied here seems like a blatant rip off. Am I off base? Can anyone speak to the copyright aspect of copying a solution and design so fully?

There is a discussion started in a GitHub issue about this. I must suggest you a comment by the project's co-owner: https://github.com/libreboard/libreboard/issues/92#issuecomm... He went a little too far in his argument, but he does make a good point. EDIT : They've received a DMCA takedown notice from GitHub: https://github.com/libreboard/libreboard/issues/92#issuecomm...

I also believe that it's not in Trello Inc. interest to try to censure us because of the Streisand effect, and it would be overly complex

What a thoroughly loathsome and naive attitude to have.

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