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Re: Barrett Brown sentenced to 63 months in prison

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

DannyBee wrote: post #3

It's hard to know what happened here, because the papers aren't available, and honestly, PACER is a piece of shit to get stuff from anyway. However, I wouldn't believe random tweets. For example, one says: "Notable that though there's no evidence Barrett took part in the hack releasing credit card info judge is determined he did. #FreeBB" This is pretty unlikely, particularly if it was used as a sentencing factor. Ev…

I just read through this document:

https://freebarrettbrown.org/files/BB_factualresume.pdf

Sounds like he not only became a lulzsec negotiator and obstructor, he later threatened an FBI agent and well as that agent's children. Uh yeah, the far left wants to make this asshole a hero? You guys need better heroes. Mitnick, Hammond, Ulbricht, Omari, lizard squad, etc. These guys are all pretty much scumbags and clearly criminals from a non-biased perspective. The mental gymnastics of deifying these scumbags is mystifying.

Re: Barrett Brown sentenced to 63 months in prison

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Post by specialp »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #22
specialp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any cases where NSA illegal wiretaps were used as evidence in court in a standard trial like this against a U.S. citizen? If the FBI said well our evidence is a confidential informant that would not be valid as the defense has a right to cross examine witnesses and evidence. This guy pled guilty. Maybe it was due to fear of courts handling tech cases, or maybe it was due to the fact that there was a large…

Do you have any cases where NSA illegal wiretaps were used as evidence in court in a standard trial like this against a U.S. citizen? Under the doctrine of parallel construction, as revealed in the Snowden disclosures, there is no way for the court to know if illegal NSA wiretaps or other surveillance activities were involved. The fruit of the poison tree is now on sale at your local justice supermarket.

By that logic every single case that the FBI prosecutes is fruit of the poison tree. I am in no way in support of NSA activities, but in order to make your claim you need some proof unfortunately. If it were ever proven that the FBI regularly uses NSA warantless wiretaps to aid in convictions of US citizens there will be many cases overturned.

Re: Barrett Brown sentenced to 63 months in prison

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Post by lstyls »

tptacek wrote: post #26
shit_parade wrote: post #10

The US government's system of justice seems increasingly opaque, arbitrary, and solely for the purpose of maintaining the status quo and those already in power. Meanwhile, much worse crimes by those in power such as torture go unpunished.

Institutionalized and organized torture programs are a monstrous offense, so by implication you're saying it's immoral to enforce laws against all lesser offenses, not just the ones that have a lot of HN valence. For instance, you would also believe it's immoral to enforce laws against car theft, or counterfeiting. I'm as frustrated as everyone else that the CIA and its horrible contractors, some of whom enriched the…

A "miscarriage of justice" implies an occasional event. The system is rigged in favor of those individuals and groups that hold power in this country.

Re: Barrett Brown sentenced to 63 months in prison

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Post by tptacek »

lstyls wrote: post #34
tptacek wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Institutionalized and organized torture programs are a monstrous offense, so by implication you're saying it's immoral to enforce laws against all lesser offenses, not just the ones that have a lot of HN valence. For instance, you would also believe it's immoral to enforce laws against car theft, or counterfeiting. I'm as frustrated as everyone else that the CIA and its horrible contractors, some of whom enriched the…

A "miscarriage of justice" implies an occasional event. The system is rigged in favor of those individuals and groups that hold power in this country.

For hundreds of years, African Americans were systematically murdered, robbed, raped, and disenfranchised by hundreds of thousands of American citizens who were never made culpable for the overwhelming vast majority of those offenses. If countries had to give up after continuous cycles of injustice, there would be no countries.

I concede ahead of time that there's a coherent political philosophy that says "that's right, and that's a good thing". It's just not mine.

Re: Barrett Brown sentenced to 63 months in prison

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Post by [deleted] »

specialp wrote: post #30
lectrick wrote: post #11

I really appreciate that prosecutor Candina Heath used secret evidence to convict, played on FUD, and in particular made it illegal to merely link to certain publicly-available information. I will definitely sleep easier at night knowing that I better always agree with the government, no matter how corrupt it gets.

Why don't you read the court documents of the facts that he pled guilty to. He hid his laptops and put out a decoy device when he knew the feds were coming. He threatened to kill the feds on Youtube and Twitter. Those 2 things are not exactly secret evidence. Then he was working with FBI infiltrated Lulzsec/Anonymous while they were actively breaking into Stratfor before it was known and being a spokesperson for Anon…

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Re: Barrett Brown sentenced to 63 months in prison

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Post by dmix »

tptacek wrote: post #35
lstyls wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "miscarriage of justice" implies an occasional event. The system is rigged in favor of those individuals and groups that hold power in this country.

For hundreds of years, African Americans were systematically murdered, robbed, raped, and disenfranchised by hundreds of thousands of American citizens who were never made culpable for the overwhelming vast majority of those offenses. If countries had to give up after continuous cycles of injustice, there would be no countries. I concede ahead of time that there's a coherent political philosophy that says "that's rig…

I believe the overall complaint is that decades of gov action/civil inaction has effectively neutered "cycles of injustice" into a perpetual state of mediocrity (aka status quo).

Re: Barrett Brown sentenced to 63 months in prison

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Post by petegrif »

shit_parade wrote: post #10

The US government's system of justice seems increasingly opaque, arbitrary, and solely for the purpose of maintaining the status quo and those already in power. Meanwhile, much worse crimes by those in power such as torture go unpunished.

It has always been like this. We just have more access to the truth.

Re: Barrett Brown sentenced to 63 months in prison

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Post by Foxboron »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #31
DannyBee wrote: post #3

It's hard to know what happened here, because the papers aren't available, and honestly, PACER is a piece of shit to get stuff from anyway. However, I wouldn't believe random tweets. For example, one says: "Notable that though there's no evidence Barrett took part in the hack releasing credit card info judge is determined he did. #FreeBB" This is pretty unlikely, particularly if it was used as a sentencing factor. Ev…

I just read through this document: https://freebarrettbrown.org/files/BB_factualresume.pdf Sounds like he not only became a lulzsec negotiator and obstructor, he later threatened an FBI agent and well as that agent's children. Uh yeah, the far left wants to make this asshole a hero? You guys need better heroes. Mitnick, Hammond, Ulbricht, Omari, lizard squad, etc. These guys are all pretty much scumbags and clearly c…

Please just keep people like Lizard Squad, Ulbricht, Omari and co away from people like Hammond, Mitnick, and Barrett Brown. Two completely different ideologies, and shouldn't be all thrown under one buss.
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