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WhatsApp doesn't understand the web

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Re: WhatsApp doesn't understand the web

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To be fair, the WeChat desktop client also requires that you scan a QR code from your smartphone to log in. I'm not defending WeChat, but it doesn't seem like the author knows WhatsApp is not alone there.

author here. I didn't knew about WeChat since it is not popular here in Brazil. Using a QR to facilitate login is not a bad decision. Having this as the only method to authenticate makes it a bad client because it can't work as a standalone offering. I don't like when "web clients" are not full featured in the sense of allowing registration and login. Look at Evernotes, you can register and use thru the web client in…

WeChat is extremely popular in China, which is why I bring it up. And as far as I am aware, QR is the ONLY way you can log in on desktop. Or I just haven't figured it out yet.

Re: WhatsApp doesn't understand the web

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While i agree whatsapp web should work in every browser the auther is forgetting one IMPORTANT gotcha: Whatsapp, is a messaging-routing platform. It doesnt store any messages. Thats what makes whatsapp strong. Its a feature. Thats why you need your phone. Its like SMS. They are not storing all your sensitive message. If you dont care about storing sensitive messages on servers. Use Telegram/Facebook Messaging, etc...…

Plus one of the reasons whatsapp is useful is because you know your contacts have it on their phone, so it's like sending them a text message. If they made a standalone web client that you could use without a phone, it becomes just another IM platform.

Re: WhatsApp doesn't understand the web

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I'd love a technical explanation of how this works. Are all the messages kept on the phone? How does it relate to the Whisper Systems end to end encryption on the Android to Android version of WhatsApp? Is there some relationship between the two - is this very bizarre web interface there because of constraints relating to privacy and encryption? i.e. WhatsApp don't have your messages. [Edit] Is it peer to peer in som…

What i remember from the Erlang discussions around Whatsapp, they dont keep the messages on the server, only temporary until it has been delivered. So Im guessing that is the reason why they need your phone to be connected. Might have been in this video [1]... Not sure at the moment (will check later when im out of the office). [1] http://vimeo.com/44312354

OK found an explanation here: [1]

"What protocol is used in Whatsapp app? SSL socket to the WhatsApp server pools. All messages are queued on the server until the client reconnects to retrieve the messages. The successful retrieval of a message is sent back to the whatsapp server which forwards this status back to the original sender (which will see that as a "checkmark" icon next to the message). Messages are wiped from the server memory as soon as the client has accepted the message"

[1] http://www.quora.com/What-is-WhatsApps-server-architecture

Re: WhatsApp doesn't understand the web

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Don't you get it? It's a mobile app, which performs really well(hence no cloud storage I guess) and is associated with your phone, your phone is and will be the most important thing for whatsapp, the web thing is just a convenience for while you're at your laptop or desktop, like working and stuff, I find it awesome, it's a lot more productive then picking up the phone. I don't mind it requires having my phone connec…

It's the one missing feature of WhatsApp that I personally have been wanting for a very long time so they have at least one happy customer with this... or they would if they'd hurry up and update the iOS client to to work with this. :)

Re: WhatsApp doesn't understand the web

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post #63

While i agree whatsapp web should work in every browser the auther is forgetting one IMPORTANT gotcha: Whatsapp, is a messaging-routing platform. It doesnt store any messages. Thats what makes whatsapp strong. Its a feature. Thats why you need your phone. Its like SMS. They are not storing all your sensitive message. If you dont care about storing sensitive messages on servers. Use Telegram/Facebook Messaging, etc...…

Totally agree, this is a feature, not a shortcoming. I use WhatsApp primarily because it is extremely fast when compared to SMS, iMessage is fast as well but not all of my contacts have iPhones.

If I want persistent group chat I'll use Hangouts or IRC/XMPP/Jabber etc. I have hundreds of options for that.

Re: WhatsApp doesn't understand the web

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I believe the issue is that unlike web chats and apps like Telegram, Whatsapp doesn't store conversations on their servers beyond what is required to deliver messages to the required destination device(s). This presents obvious problems with having not just a web client, but any client other than the main device, since the main device is the only store of the existing conversations. New messages sent also need to be…

Doesn't that sound like a poor architecture then? If the system is reliant on the main device, what happens if that gets run over or destroyed? WhatsApp have no control over the fate of the device. Why wouldn't they store the messages on the server and sync from that? WhatsApp have control of the fate of their own servers, which is far more reliable, SURELY. If I send a new message from a device, either the other dev…

It's actually a feature, not poor architecture. They're putting security and privacy above UX. This is especially important in this day and age with all of the NSA and related revelations.

If you want a better UX there are hundreds of other options available.

Re: WhatsApp doesn't understand the web

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Sorry but after reading your post and your bio, I got a few points.

1st your career is too short to fully understand the web and be able to judge a company like facebook.

2nd you haven't realized that whatsapp might be its own company but its owned by facebook, and after the buyout facebook did a clear up on devs and hired / assigned their own devs to that.

3rd you haven't realized that the power of the web is fading over the power of mobile web!

I understand that that's a blog and you are free to express your thoughts, but I am really repulsed by the fact that this post has so many upvotes. It makes me think that people reading and upvoting on this site have no idea of technology.

Re: WhatsApp doesn't understand the web

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Try searching for "WhatsApp".

TIL Hackernews has a searchbar I'm still finding my way trough this UI (Why is there no 'inbox' with replies to your comments?!)

Because it's not reddit (stop acting like it's reddit - the communities and conventions are quite different) and if you want to participate in a discussion, stay in the thread.

Did you come from /r/programming? There have been a few comment threads talking about hacker news recently.

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