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Riot – A React-like, 2.5K user interface library

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Re: Riot – A React-like, 2.5K user interface library

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Post by unsoundInput »

otikik wrote: post #22

One of React's selling points is that it uses a virtual DOM to minimize the amount of manipulations it does to the real DOM - http://facebook.github.io/react/docs/reconciliation.html . The virtual DOM is an implementation detail (riot could re-render everything on each change), but it's what makes React fast, and good for handling big apps. I don't think you can call a lib "react-like" if it doesn't have something li…

I agree that calling it "React-like" seems misleading. When I read about a 'x'-like library I expect something that could actually replace 'x' and provide nearly the same features.

Pete Hunt did a great talk on what actually makes React / virtualdom different from other databinding approaches.[1] Using this definition Riot.js looks a lot more like Angular, Ember et al. to me.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DX3vJiqxm4

Re: Riot – A React-like, 2.5K user interface library

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Post by [deleted] »

otikik wrote: post #22

One of React's selling points is that it uses a virtual DOM to minimize the amount of manipulations it does to the real DOM - http://facebook.github.io/react/docs/reconciliation.html . The virtual DOM is an implementation detail (riot could re-render everything on each change), but it's what makes React fast, and good for handling big apps. I don't think you can call a lib "react-like" if it doesn't have something li…

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Re: Riot – A React-like, 2.5K user interface library

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Post by Nekorosu »

therealunreal wrote: post #20
tipiirai wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

muut.com uses Riot for authentication, signups and for forum settings which is a fairly large application. The site is fairly popular. Of course React is much more tested and probably more solid at this point and Riot 2.0 is just released. But one major benefit for Riot is that there is indeed 24x less code to maintain and so much less weak spots to take care of.

Do you think that the 24x less code is because of its exceptional design? Or is it missing some features?

They have a different approach. There are some details under "Same but different" part of comparison to React. https://muut.com/riotjs/compare.html

Re: Riot – A React-like, 2.5K user interface library

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Post by tipiirai »

unsoundInput wrote: post #31
otikik wrote: post #22

One of React's selling points is that it uses a virtual DOM to minimize the amount of manipulations it does to the real DOM - http://facebook.github.io/react/docs/reconciliation.html . The virtual DOM is an implementation detail (riot could re-render everything on each change), but it's what makes React fast, and good for handling big apps. I don't think you can call a lib "react-like" if it doesn't have something li…

I agree that calling it "React-like" seems misleading. When I read about a 'x'-like library I expect something that could actually replace 'x' and provide nearly the same features. Pete Hunt did a great talk on what actually makes React / virtualdom different from other databinding approaches.[1] Using this definition Riot.js looks a lot more like Angular, Ember et al. to me. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DX3v…

Virtual DOM implementation is indeed different.

The biggest reason for calling it "React-like" is the basic idea of components, where related HTML and JS are combined together.

> "Build components, not templates"

http://www.slideshare.net/floydophone/react-preso-v2

I think this is the "what" of React and virtual DOM is the "how".

Re: Riot – A React-like, 2.5K user interface library

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Post by coldtea »

otikik wrote: post #22

One of React's selling points is that it uses a virtual DOM to minimize the amount of manipulations it does to the real DOM - http://facebook.github.io/react/docs/reconciliation.html . The virtual DOM is an implementation detail (riot could re-render everything on each change), but it's what makes React fast, and good for handling big apps. I don't think you can call a lib "react-like" if it doesn't have something li…

>I don't think you can call a lib "react-like" if it doesn't have something like the virtual dom diff. You could say it has react-like syntax, maybe.

Sorry, I don't follow. The Riot.js project site DOES tout "Virtual DOM" as one of its features.

You say it doesn't actually have that?

Re: Riot – A React-like, 2.5K user interface library

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Post by [deleted] »

yuchi wrote: post #24
otikik wrote: post #22

One of React's selling points is that it uses a virtual DOM to minimize the amount of manipulations it does to the real DOM - http://facebook.github.io/react/docs/reconciliation.html . The virtual DOM is an implementation detail (riot could re-render everything on each change), but it's what makes React fast, and good for handling big apps. I don't think you can call a lib "react-like" if it doesn't have something li…

It’s advertised as having a Virtual DOM.

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Re: Riot – A React-like, 2.5K user interface library

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Post by coldtea »

therealunreal wrote: post #20
tipiirai wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

muut.com uses Riot for authentication, signups and for forum settings which is a fairly large application. The site is fairly popular. Of course React is much more tested and probably more solid at this point and Riot 2.0 is just released. But one major benefit for Riot is that there is indeed 24x less code to maintain and so much less weak spots to take care of.

Do you think that the 24x less code is because of its exceptional design? Or is it missing some features?

Some of the features might be redundant (at least for some use cases) so it's not like "missing features" is necessarily a deal-breaker.

Not that you said so, but it's something one can think when he hears that Riot might be "missing stuff".

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