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The rise of fake engine noise

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Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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I was once almost hit by a Tesla, because I didn't hear it coming. Fortunately, the driver noticed I wasn't aware of his presence and slowed down.

With a sane legal framework surrounding driving, the driver would need to be sure they were not going to hit you, rather than you needing to be sure you wouldn't be hit.

In the end it does not matter. The pedestrian is the one needing the wheelchair afterwards.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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This may be a transient problem as people get used to new technology. It's like using Filmlook to put scratches and grain on HD video. The 2013 Lotus Evora, a series hybrid vehicle with an electric motor and a fixed gearbox, took this to the point of silliness. Not only did they provide fake engine sounds, they provided shift paddles and required the driver to shift software-simulated gears . They even provided a mom…

I remember reading 20 years ago about Lotus developing fake engine noise using an Esprit mule vehicle containing a tiny compact engine.

The Esprit was historically a 4-pot, so never sounded that great. Until they added the V8 and it was a monster.

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A muffler restricts the exhaust and will lead to decreased power from the engine, even for properly tuned engines. Removing the muffler will remove the restriction in the exhaust and undo the power decrease, and also increase the noise.

This is not strictly true. Some engines work better with back-pressure, and removing or altering the exhaust without re-tuning usually loses power: http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/exhaust_road_perf.html

I can attest to that, my old Saab performed terribly (performance and fuel economy) during the time I was running around with a pierced and corroded exhaust mid-section flexi-joint.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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Perhaps it's because I have no interest whatsoever in cars, but I have trouble seeing the distinction. If the idea is that certain sounds are merely the side effect of attributes which are themselves desired for reasons other than their sound, like a powerful engine, then it seems like any intentional design to produce or amplify those sounds are completely useless. What the driver wants is the actual attributes whic…

Think of it this way. Enhancing the engine sound is like optimizing the acoustics of a concert hall - you're still listening to nothing but the sounds from the orkestra. Artifically playing a prerecorded engine sound, is like sitting in a room full of speakers and amplifiers. You still hear the orkestra, but only a prerecorded version. The result might be the same, but there are subtle differences.

I think that highlights the difference for me: you come to the orchestra to hear the music. People like the sound of a car revving because they associate it with engine power, but the revving itself isn't inherently desirable; can you imagine generations growing up without ever seeing a fuel-burning car, but still associating the loudness and deepness of a car's speaker's rumbling with its power?

People like the revving noise for the same reason a ringing bell makes a dog drool.

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I just wonder, why does it have to be engine noise in particular? If I saw a Tesla, Leaf, Volt, etc. I wouldn't expect any engine or exhaust noise. Beeping, maybe.

Benny Hill theme, played at a speed that matches the car’s speed.

I'd prefer La Cucaracha

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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Perhaps it's because I have no interest whatsoever in cars, but I have trouble seeing the distinction. If the idea is that certain sounds are merely the side effect of attributes which are themselves desired for reasons other than their sound, like a powerful engine, then it seems like any intentional design to produce or amplify those sounds are completely useless. What the driver wants is the actual attributes whic…

Playback recordings are a facsimile. Even in my '08 1.6L Swift Sport I can very well hear and feel the exhaust pipe through the floor as it responds to various throttle inputs. Haptic feedback is just as important to me as the sound, and is part of what makes a car feel alive, playful, and eager. IOW, fun. I'm totally not against electric cars, but it just seems wrong to me to make them appear like what they're not (…

> is part of what makes a car feel alive, playful, and eager. IOW, fun.

Car porn, literally.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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As a motor vehicle enthusiast, I think it's important to distinguish "real noises intentionally amplified by physical audio routing" and "electronic recordings or audio processing played through speakers." I don't object to routing engine noises to the cabin to allow for a loud-feeling vehicle (without necessarily being loud to people outside the car). To me, this isn't fake. The driver experiences real engine noise,…

What if real engine noise is recorded in one part of the car, and then played back in the cabin?

The Coconut Effect will come into play.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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On the Renault Clio, you can already choose the kind of engine noise you want from a menu.

They could monetize that with microtransactions. 99c to download and install "1968 Ferrari Dino" or "Anakin's Podracer".

Sebulba for the whales, 100€

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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Don't you see any problem with the silence in terms of safety? There is a reason bicycles need to have a bell. Because these you also cannot hear when they approach you. Although, it would be funny seeing a Tesla with a nice little bell and the tacked on law that you have to use it to alarm others in front of you that you are approaching. That'll be a sight to behold.

At city speeds, tire noise exceeds engine noise in many internal-combustion vehicles as well.

At highway speeds it definitely does, but not necessarily at city speeds as the speed is low (and a stationary car makes no tyre noise but combustion engine still makes some engine noise).

This of course also depends on the road surface and tyres. Where I live we have rough asphalt (with large granite chips sticking out) and rought tyres, at least in the winter. The highway noise is practically all from tyres.

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