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The rise of fake engine noise

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Re: The rise of fake engine noise

#51

Noise is just wasted energy that could be doing useful work unless, of course, you actually want the noise (like in a musical instrument). This is a really weird trend.

The only reason these sounds are being added to cars is because some people want the noise. Some for safety reasons, some for aesthetic reasons. In the latter case, it's no different than music.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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Noise is just wasted energy that could be doing useful work unless, of course, you actually want the noise (like in a musical instrument). This is a really weird trend.

The power in noise is actually fairly low. Like single digit watts low, for deafening noise.

You are only looking at the energy in the noise itself. But to make that noise there is a ton of wasted energy in vibration, friction from gears, etc.

Noise is a symptom of "slop" in an engine. It might be unavoidable, but it's still a symptom of wasted energy.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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I have no problem with manufacturers including fake engine noise as a feature as long as it can be disabled by the customer.

Perhaps it should just be used when a pedestrian is near? It's bad enough worrying about cars that are making legal maneuvers, but when an electric car doesn't follow the rules, it's that much more dangerous.

I think you might misunderstand the nature of the artificial sounds mentioned in this article. It's not talking about electric cars making noise for the benefit of pedestrians (although that does get a cursory mention), it's talking about manufacturers of pumping artificial car noises into the cabins of cars like the Ford Mustang and the BMW M5 for the enjoyment of the occupants of the vehicle.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

#54

In Amsterdam one of the bigger reasons given for the reduction of speeds on some roads is that it reduces the noise pollution. It would seem backwards to require cars to make more noise than they strictly have to. That said in mixed traffic situations it may save some lives, so essentially this proves all those guys that drove without dampers in their exhausts and bumper stickers saying 'loud pipes save lives' right…

Most of this noise is pumped into the car (to make the consumer happy), not out of the car. The two most common systems in use today are the car stereo (either amplifying the real engine's sound or by simply synchronizing a synthesis mechanism to the engine's load conditions) or a "sound pipe" which runs from the engine's air intake into the cabin ventilation system.

This article strangely managed to conflate the two by bringing up external electronic car noisemakers, which are entirely unrelated in both purpose and execution to the noisemaking devices explained throughout the rest of the article.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

#55

I drive a Leaf and a Volt, both technically electric cars. The sprinting power of an electric is pretty good, I often take modded civics off the line (stoplight) in the Leaf; the point being that electric cars can quickly move to a spot you don't anticipate them. The Volt has a 'pedestrian warning horn' that, when engaged by the driver, gently and rapidly beeps the horn to draw attention to the Volt. Since it is enga…

>>> As a cyclist, I enjoy having good situational awareness, and electric cars can definitely be surprising when they pass you. The car could have a bell and "on your left" speaker. ;-)

A revving engine would be less disruptive. It's a noise that most of us filter out, except those in situations which make them on alert for oncoming traffic, e.g. pedestrians and cyclists.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

#56

I hate the idea of a fake engine noise, but I drive a manual transmission and I know I use my ears a lot to know when to shift.

Me too, though I just bought a new (to me) 2007 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. It's by far the newest, smoothest, quietest vehicle I've ever owned. So much so, it's actually taking me a long time to get used to when I need to change gears because I can't hear or feel what the engine is doing. Often I look at the tacho and am I bit surprised to see it's either revving way lower or higher than I was thinking. Being a 6-speed and geared very differently that other vehicles it's also tricking me up in terms of engine speed vs. road speed.

I drove my last 5-speed 2000 Jeep Wrangler from Alaska to Argentina, and I've owned a stack of stick-shift vehicles before, so it's not like I'm new to this.

I'm sure I'll get the hang of it, sooner or later.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

#57

I want the Jetsons' car sound. My bother wants a Star Wars TIE fighter and my father in law would like the sound of a B-17, please.

I've always wanted the hovercar sound from Blade Runner, but I think I've found a new favorite with the TIE fighter :)

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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>>> As a cyclist, I enjoy having good situational awareness, and electric cars can definitely be surprising when they pass you. The car could have a bell and "on your left" speaker. ;-)

A revving engine would be less disruptive. It's a noise that most of us filter out, except those in situations which make them on alert for oncoming traffic, e.g. pedestrians and cyclists.

Quite true. Also, my brain reacts to "on your left" by assuming that I can let my guard down, which would be the wrong reaction if it's a car.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

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Am I the only one that associates loud noise with a weak engine? To me a powerful car just has an acceleration whine, and that's all. It's like a rocket exhaust: the "wilder" it is the weaker it is. A powerful, well tuned, rocket has a very sharp, and clean (i.e. not noisy) flame. Same with a car - if it's making a lot of noise, it's poorly tuned or designed.

It's not just you. It's also other people who don't have much experience with engine performance. Quieter mufflers restrict more airflow, something you don't want to do when you're trying to pass more fuel through a small engine.

Re: The rise of fake engine noise

#60

100 years from now cars will still make a vestigial sound that is simply taken for granted and not really considered until some wise-ass at a party starts in "Funny story..."

We will have to explain the origin of the sound coming out of our car speakers to our kids, like we have to explain the floppy disk icon for saving a file.
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