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The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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post #233

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yes, and we would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!!

You're not as far off as you think. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/17/exposed-the-secre...

taking that guy seriously is a really great example of how desperate things have gotten out there.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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post #182

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The initial scandal was that Nathan Grayson had been friends with the relatively unknown developer of Depression Quest for a long time, to the point of getting thanked in the credits of the game. He then plugged it, here: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/08/admission-quest-v... And also covered her here: http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-we... ...without disclosing the relationship. Whi…

Exactly: no scandal.

Dr. Greg Lisby on this topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_lzjvu24a8

Very clearly what occurred was a major violation of ethics.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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post #182

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The initial scandal was that Nathan Grayson had been friends with the relatively unknown developer of Depression Quest for a long time, to the point of getting thanked in the credits of the game. He then plugged it, here: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/08/admission-quest-v... And also covered her here: http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-we... ...without disclosing the relationship. Whi…

Exactly: no scandal.

I would say not disclosing something that's clearly a potential conflict of interest is scandalous. That Devin, a writer for TechCrunch disagrees is... interesting. Illustrative.

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post #206

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You're still giving them a platform to do so - it doesn't matter the exact details of how much is user-generated and how much isn't. If you allowed anybody in the world to put an ad in your newspaper, for example, you would be responsible when ISIS use it as a recruitment or propaganda tool - they wouldn't have that reach otherwise. Same with imageboards, reddit, or HN.

Same with VPS servers. Same with internet infrastructure; hubs, switches and fiber. Or ultimately any physical area in which people uttering heresy and atrocious opinions stay while uttering them (the latter point would ultimately be of concern to any owner of private property, or the state itself in the case of common public property). How are these distinct from imageboards, forums or reddit? This is a very slipper…

You're confusing censorship with freedom of association and freedom to chose your customers. If an ISP won't take the KKK's money, that is not censorship. Censorship would be if the government banned every ISP from serving the KKK whether or not they wanted to.

Requiring all ISPs (or forums or whatever) to accept and retransmit the KKK's propaganda is just as much a limit on freedom as banning the stuff.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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I totally understand where you're coming from. 4chan was my refuge for a very long time through some tough times in my life, and 8chan is the only alternative I've used that captures the feeling of 4chan. I tried many other english "chans" over the years (7chan, 99chan, 420chan, the wakachan/iichan "network", the easymodo/warosu ghost boards, SAoVQ, etc), yet I didn't stick around with any of them. They had their own…

Haha, yep, I've been around for all of those other chans too. I'm starting to browse 8chan alongside 4chan today and we will see where it goes.

Welcome aboard.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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post #233

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You're not as far off as you think. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/17/exposed-the-secre...

taking that guy seriously is a really great example of how desperate things have gotten out there.

He provides links to facts and actual emails. What do you provide, besides indignation?

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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post #206

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Same with VPS servers. Same with internet infrastructure; hubs, switches and fiber. Or ultimately any physical area in which people uttering heresy and atrocious opinions stay while uttering them (the latter point would ultimately be of concern to any owner of private property, or the state itself in the case of common public property). How are these distinct from imageboards, forums or reddit? This is a very slipper…

You're confusing censorship with freedom of association and freedom to chose your customers. If an ISP won't take the KKK's money, that is not censorship. Censorship would be if the government banned every ISP from serving the KKK whether or not they wanted to. Requiring all ISPs (or forums or whatever) to accept and retransmit the KKK's propaganda is just as much a limit on freedom as banning the stuff.

If I configure my home router to use OpenDNS, such that my children cannot access internet pornography or extremist forums (such as 4chan or 8chan for example), that is a form of censorship, yes? It is a form of censorship that the government is not involved in. It is legal, and it is well within my rights to do. Hell, I'd go so far as to say it is the appropriate thing to do. It's still censorship though. I don't know what else I'd call it.

Alternatively, when an American cable news channel bleeps profanity or blurs nudity, isn't that a form of censorship?

I'm really confused with where the "censorship is only something a government can do" idea came from.

Some sort of conflation between the ideas of "censorship" and "violation of first amendment rights" I suppose.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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post #243

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Exactly: no scandal.

I would say not disclosing something that's clearly a potential conflict of interest is scandalous. That Devin, a writer for TechCrunch disagrees is... interesting. Illustrative.

I'm glad my position has been instructive!

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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post #232

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Thank you for refusing to engage. You make the rest of us look so damned good. You disagree, but you won't say why? You say we're wrong, but won't say why? That's a good way to encourage open debate. BTW: this guy is a journalist for TechCrunch. I only mention it because it explains why he doesn't want to actually debate the topic.

Actually, I write for NBC News mainly. I only do columns now and then for TC. Neither of those things has any bearing on me 'refusing to engage.' I really just don't care to (though I didn't want the TC allegation to go unanswered, not that anyone's listening). But I know you'll choose to believe what best advances your existing prejudice. Be my guest.

But I know you'll choose to believe what best advances your existing prejudice.

I choose to believe what I can prove. You provide nothing of substance. Empty words and air. You work for ABC news and not TC. Ok, great. What does that have to do with Moot?

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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post #247

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You're confusing censorship with freedom of association and freedom to chose your customers. If an ISP won't take the KKK's money, that is not censorship. Censorship would be if the government banned every ISP from serving the KKK whether or not they wanted to. Requiring all ISPs (or forums or whatever) to accept and retransmit the KKK's propaganda is just as much a limit on freedom as banning the stuff.

If I configure my home router to use OpenDNS, such that my children cannot access internet pornography or extremist forums (such as 4chan or 8chan for example), that is a form of censorship, yes? It is a form of censorship that the government is not involved in. It is legal, and it is well within my rights to do. Hell, I'd go so far as to say it is the appropriate thing to do. It's still censorship though. I don't kn…

Part of it is people confusing legal and ethical.

Oh my god, shut up about free speech. It's his privately owned website and he can do whatever he wants with it.

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